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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / January 2007

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which octane do I use?

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nmarlow - 20 Jan 2007 19:56 GMT
I have a 69 mustang with a 351C. What grade of octane should I use & do
I need to add an additive since we no longer have leaded gas. The
engine is completely overhauled & I have only filled 1 time with the
highest octane.
Thanks nancy m.
Jason O - 20 Jan 2007 21:15 GMT
> I have a 69 mustang with a 351C. What grade of octane should I use & do
> I need to add an additive since we no longer have leaded gas. The
> engine is completely overhauled & I have only filled 1 time with the
> highest octane.
> Thanks nancy m.

I would run premium gas in it, but the rule of thumb is, use whatever
the lowest is that doesn't cause it to ping under load (accelerating up
an on-ramp, etc.)  It depends on how it's tuned, as well.

Do you know if the engine was rebuilt with hardened valve seats?  If so,
you won't need lead substitute.  If not, which would be odd these days,
you do.

I don't mean to besmirch the regulars here, but there is a better group
in which to ask questions about this car -
alt.hi-po.big-block-ford-mercury.  Post this question there.  You'll get
advice from a group of seasoned pros.

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My Name Is Nobody - 21 Jan 2007 08:35 GMT
>> I have a 69 mustang with a 351C. What grade of octane should I use & do
>> I need to add an additive since we no longer have leaded gas. The
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Post this question there.  You'll get advice from a group of seasoned
> pros.

Ya Right, that group of pathetic drunken unemployed alcoholic welfare
queens?  Please!  Visit alt.hi-po.big-block-ford-mercury only if you want to
argue with a bunch of self absorbed drunks, who's combined hands on
automotive knowledge couldn't get them a job at Jiffy Lube.

You would be much better off leaving Jason O'brien and his group of Butt
Buddies to play with themselves...
goodnigh - 20 Jan 2007 23:46 GMT
>I have a 69 mustang with a 351C. What grade of octane should I use & do
> I need to add an additive since we no longer have leaded gas. The
> engine is completely overhauled & I have only filled 1 time with the
> highest octane.
> Thanks nancy m.

My '71 351C 4V M-code runs great on 91 octane which is roughly
equivalent to 99 octane of yesteryear.  The timing is set about
12 BTDC and the car never fails to start on the first try even below
freezing.  The engine is very responsive.  This is California so the gas
may even contain alcohol.  In Yosemite last year I paid $3.84/gallon
of high test.  But with a car like yours, you don't worry about the price
of gas.

mike
Grover C. McCoury III - 21 Jan 2007 15:46 GMT
With regard to the unleaded fuel issue, the chief concern has been for the
possibility of exhaust valve recession (sink or seat wear) when engines
designed to run on leaded gasoline are operated on unleaded gasoline. If
your engine was completely overhauled recently it may have had hardened
valve seats installed therefore making this is a moot issue.

Typically, most passenger are subjected to service too mild for this issue
to cause problems. The problems typically only occur in older engines when
operating under *sustained* high speeds and loads.

With regard to the octane issue, the easiest answer to your question
regarding the proper octane fuel to use is to use the octane rating as close
as possible to what the manufacturer suggests for the engine. This mindset
assumes you have not made
major modifications to the engine (compression ratio/timing). Since your
engine was completely overhauled recently it may also have had a reduction
of the compression ratio from the original engine design therefore making it
more "friendly' to current premium fuels (91-93 octane).

I am not sure what version of the 351C engine you have since the 351C was
not offered from the factory in the 1969 Mustang model year.

FYI:
2-barrel H-code 351C featured a 9.5:1 compression ratio and a recommended a
minimum fuel octane level of 94
4-barrel M-code 351C featured a 11.0:1 compression ratio and a minimum
recommended fuel octane level of 99.8

Yet another $.02 worth from a proud owner of a 1970 Mach 1 351C M-code
(searches for the highest octane I can find) @
http://community.webshots.com/album/18644819fHAehGJAjt

>I have a 69 mustang with a 351C. What grade of octane should I use & do
> I need to add an additive since we no longer have leaded gas. The
> engine is completely overhauled & I have only filled 1 time with the
> highest octane.
> Thanks nancy m.
goodnigh - 21 Jan 2007 23:07 GMT
> With regard to the unleaded fuel issue, the chief concern has been for the
> possibility of exhaust valve recession (sink or seat wear) when engines
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> I am not sure what version of the 351C engine you have since the 351C was
> not offered from the factory in the 1969 Mustang model year.

My book says the 290/300 HP 351 was offered as an option in '69.
That has to be a Cleveland.

> FYI:
> 2-barrel H-code 351C featured a 9.5:1 compression ratio and a recommended
> a minimum fuel octane level of 94
> 4-barrel M-code 351C featured a 11.0:1 compression ratio and a minimum
> recommended fuel octane level of 99.8

Another way to tell what engine type is to stand on the driver's side of the
engine
accross from the distributor and near the upper left corner of the valve
cover there
is a number stamped, either 2 or 4, and in later years, M.

> Yet another $.02 worth from a proud owner of a 1970 Mach 1 351C M-code
> (searches for the highest octane I can find) @
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> highest octane.
>> Thanks nancy m.
Grover C. McCoury III - 22 Jan 2007 03:46 GMT
>> With regard to the unleaded fuel issue, the chief concern has been for
>> the possibility of exhaust valve recession (sink or seat wear) when
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> My book says the 290/300 HP 351 was offered as an option in '69.
> That has to be a Cleveland.

FYI: 8-cylinder engines available for the 1969 Mustang are as follows:

302 2V           F-code
Boss 302 4V  G-code
351W 2V       H-code
351W 4V       M-code
428 4V CJ      Q-code
428 4V CJ Ram Air  R-code
390 4V            S-code
Boss 429 4V    Z-code

Production of the 351C began with the 1970 model year and ended with the
1974 model year.

More information on the Ford 335 series engines (including the 351C) is @
http://www.answers.com/topic/ford-335-engine

Yet another $.02 worth from a proud owner of a 1970 Mach 1 351C 4V M-code @
http://community.webshots.com/album/18644819fHAehGJAjt
goodnigh - 22 Jan 2007 23:30 GMT
>>> I am not sure what version of the 351C engine you have since the 351C
>>> was not offered from the factory in the 1969 Mustang model year.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> @
> http://community.webshots.com/album/18644819fHAehGJAjt

So the M code is simply a 351 4V.  Could be Cleveland or Windsor.
Then the only way to tell is to glance at the engine since there
are obvious physical differences between the two.
My '71 is an M code and is clearly a Cleveland.

mike
Grover C. McCoury III - 23 Jan 2007 00:57 GMT
>>>> I am not sure what version of the 351C engine you have since the 351C
>>>> was not offered from the factory in the 1969 Mustang model year.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> Then the only way to tell is to glance at the engine since there
> are obvious physical differences between the two.

The M-code referred to 351 4V CID engines as follows:
1969 - Windsor
1970 - Cleveland
1971 - Cleveland

Quick ways to differentiate the 351W and 351C engines are as follows:
- Coolant passes through the intake manifold of a Windsor engine, not in a
Cleveland (features dry manifold)
- The two bolts holding the fuel pump to the block on a Cleveland engine are
positioned vertical in relationship to each other - on the Windsor the bolts
are positioned horizontally

Yet another $.02 worth from a proud owner of a 1970 Mach 1 351C 4V M-code @
http://community.webshots.com/album/18644819fHAehGJAjt
goodnigh - 23 Jan 2007 01:10 GMT
>>>>> I am not sure what version of the 351C engine you have since the 351C
>>>>> was not offered from the factory in the 1969 Mustang model year.
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> Yet another $.02 worth from a proud owner of a 1970 Mach 1 351C 4V M-code
> @ http://community.webshots.com/album/18644819fHAehGJAjt

And the distributor is tilted towards the passenger on the Cleveland along
with large valve covers using 8 bolts and not six as on the Windsor :)
Jason O - 23 Jan 2007 01:46 GMT
>>>> I am not sure what version of the 351C engine you have since the 351C
>>>> was not offered from the factory in the 1969 Mustang model year.
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> mike

The '69 M-code is definitely a Windsor.  The '70-'71 M-code is a
Cleveland.  I didn't think of this on the first read-through.  Whoops.

The compression ratio for the 1969 2v H-code 351W is 9.5:1, and the 4v
M-code is 10.7:1.  I'd use premium gas in the M and maybe mid-grade in
the H, listening for ping, and keeping in mind the advance curve.  The
Cleveland's block is obviously visually bigger, although its deck height
is a smidgen shorter than the Windsor's.  There are five versions of the
Cleveland, in all, but you'll only commonly see two.  I've only seen a
few Boss 351s and one 351CJ.

There was also a 302 Cleveland, but it was only produced in Australia.

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Jason O

Jason O - 23 Jan 2007 02:32 GMT
>>>>> I am not sure what version of the 351C engine you have since the
>>>>> 351C was not offered from the factory in the 1969 Mustang model year.
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> Cleveland's block is obviously visually bigger, although its deck height
> is a smidgen shorter than the Windsor's.  There are five versions of the

To clarify - 351 - five versions of this, in addition to the aussie 302C.

> Cleveland, in all, but you'll only commonly see two.  I've only seen a
> few Boss 351s and one 351CJ.
>
> There was also a 302 Cleveland, but it was only produced in Australia.

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Jason

 
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