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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / February 2007

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The Big 2-1/2 ?

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Michael Johnson - 17 Feb 2007 01:45 GMT
Looks like GM is considering buying "C" from from "DC".  Makes me wonder
what chassis will GM use for the 300C, Crossfire etc. if the sale goes
through.  Here's a link:  http://tinyurl.com/2m5lsq
Joe - 17 Feb 2007 02:44 GMT
Michael Johnson <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:bd-
dnUHfePnPw0vYnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@giganews.com:

> Looks like GM is considering buying "C" from from "DC".  Makes me wonder
> what chassis will GM use for the 300C, Crossfire etc. if the sale goes
> through.  Here's a link:  http://tinyurl.com/2m5lsq

Been reading this stuff - it will certainly be interesting to see what
shakes out before this is all over.

I can see a Hemi Camaro or an LS7 Challenger...  ;)
dwight - 17 Feb 2007 03:43 GMT
> Michael Johnson <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:bd-
> dnUHfePnPw0vYnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@giganews.com:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> I can see a Hemi Camaro or an LS7 Challenger...  ;)

I don't see it...

Given its line-up, or the possible new entries they "could" build, I can't
figure out why Chrysler isn't rolling in money. It should be Chrysler buying
GM, not a near-bankrupt GM trying to finance a buyout of Chrysler.

Hey, if it were me, I'd buy Chrysler, then dump Chrysler and just keep Jeep.
Then I'd come out with the first-ever Jeep coupe, Jeep sedan, Jeep (true)
station wagon.

I'd make a fortune.

dwight
Michael Johnson, PE - 17 Feb 2007 05:20 GMT
>> Michael Johnson <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:bd-
>> dnUHfePnPw0vYnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@giganews.com:
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> figure out why Chrysler isn't rolling in money. It should be Chrysler buying
> GM, not a near-bankrupt GM trying to finance a buyout of Chrysler.

I would have thought Chrysler was solidly in the black too.

> Hey, if it were me, I'd buy Chrysler, then dump Chrysler and just keep Jeep.
> Then I'd come out with the first-ever Jeep coupe, Jeep sedan, Jeep (true)
> station wagon.

Jeep is the reason Chrysler bought AMC.  It certainly wasn't for the AMC
cars.

> I'd make a fortune.

Remember your buddies here at ramfm when you get filthy rich. ;)
Joe - 17 Feb 2007 13:57 GMT
>>> Michael Johnson <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:bd-
>>> dnUHfePnPw0vYnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@giganews.com:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>
>> I don't see it...

Guys, I must stress the fact that there's a winky at the end of the line
above.

>> Given its line-up, or the possible new entries they "could" build, I
>> can't figure out why Chrysler isn't rolling in money. It should be
>> Chrysler buying GM, not a near-bankrupt GM trying to finance a buyout
>> of Chrysler.
>
> I would have thought Chrysler was solidly in the black too.

Here's a recent story from CNN:
http://tinyurl.com/yr4g3l

Apparently, things ain't goin' so good.

>> Hey, if it were me, I'd buy Chrysler, then dump Chrysler and just
>> keep Jeep. Then I'd come out with the first-ever Jeep coupe, Jeep
>> sedan, Jeep (true) station wagon.
>
> Jeep is the reason Chrysler bought AMC.  It certainly wasn't for the
> AMC cars.

Ramblers.  Saw an awesome 390 AMX the other day.

>> I'd make a fortune.
>
> Remember your buddies here at ramfm when you get filthy rich. ;)
dwight - 17 Feb 2007 16:26 GMT
>>>> Michael Johnson <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:bd-
>>>> dnUHfePnPw0vYnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@giganews.com:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Guys, I must stress the fact that there's a winky at the end of the line
> above.

Yeah. Like any of this discussion is serious. I wonder how the Chebby guys
would take to having a Hemi under the hood, or vice versa? That'd be heresy.
An upheaval in the universe...

Of course, that stuff probably matters only to us old farts who remember
when.

:()   <----- (frog smiley)
Michael Johnson, PE - 19 Feb 2007 17:47 GMT
>>>>> Michael Johnson <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:bd-
>>>>> dnUHfePnPw0vYnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@giganews.com:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> would take to having a Hemi under the hood, or vice versa? That'd be heresy.
> An upheaval in the universe...

Depends on how good the marketing strategy is. ;)

> Of course, that stuff probably matters only to us old farts who remember
> when.
Michael Johnson, PE - 19 Feb 2007 17:46 GMT
>>>> Michael Johnson <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:bd-
>>>> dnUHfePnPw0vYnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@giganews.com:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Guys, I must stress the fact that there's a winky at the end of the line
> above.

What!?!?!?  You're not serious? ;)

>>> Given its line-up, or the possible new entries they "could" build, I
>>> can't figure out why Chrysler isn't rolling in money. It should be
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Apparently, things ain't goin' so good.

The deal to sell Chrysler would have more hair on it than a gorilla.  It
wouldn't surprise me if they never find a buyer.

>>> Hey, if it were me, I'd buy Chrysler, then dump Chrysler and just
>>> keep Jeep. Then I'd come out with the first-ever Jeep coupe, Jeep
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Ramblers.  Saw an awesome 390 AMX the other day.

My Mother drove around the the four-wheel drive Eagle compact (late 70s
vintage).  It actually wasn't a bad car for the time.

>>> I'd make a fortune.
>> Remember your buddies here at ramfm when you get filthy rich. ;)
Michael Johnson, PE - 17 Feb 2007 05:17 GMT
> Michael Johnson <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:bd-
> dnUHfePnPw0vYnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@giganews.com:
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>
> I can see a Hemi Camaro or an LS7 Challenger...  ;)

Don't forget that many of Chrysler's more popular and best performing
models are based on Mercede's chassis and drive trains.  I can't see GM
selling cars that are reskinned Mercede models or Mercedes letting them
do it.
Joe - 17 Feb 2007 13:58 GMT
>> Michael Johnson <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:bd-
>> dnUHfePnPw0vYnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@giganews.com:
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> GM selling cars that are reskinned Mercede models or Mercedes letting
> them do it.

That's the grey area.  Spinning off Chrysler begs answers to a host of
questions, starting with: "What happens to all the MB stuff presently in
the DC cars?"
My Name Is Nobody - 17 Feb 2007 18:46 GMT
>>> Michael Johnson <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:bd-
>>> dnUHfePnPw0vYnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@giganews.com:
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> questions, starting with: "What happens to all the MB stuff presently in
> the DC cars?"

I would bet Chrysler owns it.  If they spin off Chrysler they spin off all
of it...
Michael Johnson, PE - 19 Feb 2007 17:41 GMT
>>>> Michael Johnson <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:bd-
>>>> dnUHfePnPw0vYnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@giganews.com:
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> I would bet Chrysler owns it.  If they spin off Chrysler they spin off all
> of it...

IMO, Mercedes is in a real quandary with selling Chrysler.  Aside from
the Jeep brand the only cars worth selling is the ones that have
Mercedes' "bones".  If they exclude the 300C, Crossfire etc. from the
deal then the value of Chrysler sinks like a stone.  I can't see them
selling their current technology to a competitor.
WindsorFox - 17 Feb 2007 17:08 GMT
> Looks like GM is considering buying "C" from from "DC".  Makes me wonder
> what chassis will GM use for the 300C, Crossfire etc. if the sale goes
> through.  Here's a link:  http://tinyurl.com/2m5lsq

    If everyone thought that "D" was going to be the end of "C", this
will definitely be the end. You can kiss that sweet looking Daytona
Charger good bye and see it replaced with that fugly looking Mustang
copying Camaro.

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