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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / April 2007

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289 motor rebuild

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MJBiggs@gmail.com - 08 Apr 2007 22:12 GMT
I am rebuilding a 289 from my 65 fastback and I have a part I can not
remember what it is.
It seems to fit the crankshaft.
It is a thin metal round plate recessed and has a  notch to fit the
crangshaft key. Seems to fit around the harmonic balancer. Does this
part go after the crank gear before the timing cover is on or with the
harmonic balancer?
I'm sure I will figure this out, but i wanted to see if anyone else
used this on their rebuild or know what its purpose is?
See picture.
[IMG]http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t161/mb_stangz/DSC08053.jpg[/
IMG]
.boB - 08 Apr 2007 22:48 GMT
> I am rebuilding a 289 from my 65 fastback and I have a part I can not
> remember what it is.
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> [IMG]http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t161/mb_stangz/DSC08053.jpg[/
> IMG]

   Commonly called an "Oil Slinger".  Helps to keep
oil off the damper seal, and prevent leaks.  New
engines don't have it.  Most people trash theirs during
a rebuild.

   You could probably get one at the dealer.

   The trick to preventing a leak there is to install
the front cover so it's square to the crank snout and
not the block.
   Install the gaskets, and the bolts hand tight.
Slid the damper on so the hub just barely enters the
seal.  Move thr front cover around until you have even
seal compression around the circumfrence.

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.boB
2006 FXDI hot rod
2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
1965 FFR Cobra -  427W EFI, Damn Fast.

MJBiggs@gmail.com - 08 Apr 2007 22:57 GMT
> MJBi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I am rebuilding a 289 from my 65 fastback and I have a part I can not
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> 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
> 1965 FFR Cobra -  427W EFI, Damn Fast.

Awesome, Thanks for your answer! Like to see that 65 Cobra....
MJBiggs@gmail.com - 08 Apr 2007 23:22 GMT
On Apr 8, 4:57 pm, MJBi...@gmail.com wrote:

> > MJBi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > I am rebuilding a 289 from my 65 fastback and I have a part I can not
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>
> Awesome, Thanks for your answer! Like to see that 65 Cobra....

.boB,
I have another question. I just opened my head gaskets and they both
are exactly the same and they both have "front" labeled on them. In
order for them both to face the front on each side of the motor, I
would have to flip one (which isn't good). also is it normal to block
the front water passages on these gaskets? Do rebuilders drill extra
water passage holes in the gasket to fit the the heads and motor to
match?
-mb

pictures of head gasket-
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http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t161/mb_stangz/
Jim Warman - 08 Apr 2007 23:54 GMT
The word "front" needs to go to the front.... because of coolant flow
through the block and heads.... The gaskets are installed unaltered.

Once you get the heads bolted on... look for the identifier tabs... these
are a tab on the gasket that protrudes from between head and block.... These
tabs were used during assembly line inspection to ensure correct gasket
placement and will both be sticking out of (IIRC) the front....
.boB - 09 Apr 2007 00:54 GMT
> Once you get the heads bolted on... look for the identifier tabs... these
> are a tab on the gasket that protrudes from between head and block.... These
> tabs were used during assembly line inspection to ensure correct gasket
> placement and will both be sticking out of (IIRC) the front....

   Not all head gaskets have this.

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.boB
2006 FXDI hot rod
2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
1965 FFR Cobra -  427W EFI, Damn Fast.

MJBiggs@gmail.com - 09 Apr 2007 01:15 GMT
> > Once you get the heads bolted on... look for the identifier tabs... these
> > are a tab on the gasket that protrudes from between head and block.... These
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> 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
> 1965 FFR Cobra -  427W EFI, Damn Fast.

Factory Five kits are cool! ... one of these days....
MJBiggs@gmail.com - 11 Apr 2007 16:13 GMT
On Apr 8, 7:15 pm, MJBi...@gmail.com wrote:

> > > Once you get the heads bolted on... look for the identifier tabs... these
> > > are a tab on the gasket that protrudes from between head and block.... These
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Factory Five kits are cool! ... one of these days....

Thanks for the comments. I'm using 289 block/crank with the D0OE
heads. I need to figure out the compression ratio. I did research on
the D0OE heads and mine have 69 302 D0OE on them (see pic from
previous e-mail), but everywhere I research the "D0OE" heads are
always referred as 351 heads its hard to find specs.Here a link for
that data. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t161/mb_stangz/headcastings.jpg
Know much about this?
thanks
.Mike
.boB - 11 Apr 2007 21:26 GMT
> Thanks for the comments. I'm using 289 block/crank with the D0OE
> heads. I need to figure out the compression ratio. I did research on
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> thanks
> .Mike

D0OE- B   68-70 302W, 58.2cc chambers, valves 1.78/1.45

D0OE- C, G   69-74 351W,  60.4cc chambers, valves 1.84/1.54

Use blocks and set up the heads on a bench so the face
is up and perfectly level.  Use isopropal alcohol and a
syringe.  Fill the chanmber to the top and see how many
cc's it takes.  Use alcohol instead of water because it
won't form a meniscus.

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.boB
2006 FXDI hot rod
2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
1965 FFR Cobra -  427W EFI, Damn Fast.

Jan - 12 Apr 2007 01:57 GMT
>> Thanks for the comments. I'm using 289 block/crank with the D0OE
>> heads. I need to figure out the compression ratio. I did research on
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> chanmber to the top and see how many cc's it takes.  Use alcohol instead
> of water because it won't form a meniscus.

Do not trust anyone else, measure everything to be sure you base your
work on first hand knowledge.

Things are not always the way they should be, or what the books say they
are. Who knows what was done to old car parts along the years.

Jan
.boB - 08 Apr 2007 23:56 GMT
>>Awesome, Thanks for your answer! Like to see that 65 Cobra....
>
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> match?
> -mb

   Yes, that's exactly how they go on.  Both gaskets
are exactly the same, just like both heads are exactly
the same.  On one side the word "front" will be facing
up, and on the other side it will be facing down.
   Some of the water holes are blocked to direct the
water in the right direction - back to front
   The small holes are called steam holes.  They don't
really relieve steam, as there shouldn't be any if the
system is operating correctly.  They are there to
relieve any imbalance and keep the water flowing in the
right direction.

Here are some pictures of my car:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a256/bobcowan/VacuumPump_024captioned.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a256/bobcowan/GoCart003small.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a256/bobcowan/Racetrack3.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a256/bobcowan/IMG_0206.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a256/bobcowan/RainStop.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a256/bobcowan/IMG_0502.jpg

  Factory Five Racing kit, 427W, Dart Windsor Sr
heads, custom Ed curtis roller cam, Momar EFI 8 stack
system, Tremec TKO, 8.8 IRS with 3.55 gears and Detroit
TruTrak.
   It's pretty fast.  I was running about 1:45 at
Pueblo Motorsports Park last month.  Then I spun a rod
bearing.
   Going to La Junta raceway next week end, we'll see
how it does.

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.boB
2006 FXDI hot rod
2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
1965 FFR Cobra -  427W EFI, Damn Fast.

walt peifer - 10 Apr 2007 18:35 GMT
>>>Awesome, Thanks for your answer! Like to see that 65 Cobra....
>>
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> last month.  Then I spun a rod bearing.
>    Going to La Junta raceway next week end, we'll see how it does.
 
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