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There is always an excuse for this. NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Last summer when oil traded at a record high near $79 a barrel, gas at the pump went for about $3.03 a gallon. Today, crude's about $65 a barrel and a gallon of regular unleaded costs $3.10 Doesn't seem right, does it? The price of a barrel of crude ought to be a better benchmark for what you pay at the gas pump. In today's economy, though, that type of formula is out the window, a relic from the days when refineries kept crude stocks high during winter months and Americans didn't drive longer and longer distances to get to home, work and play. > NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Last summer when oil traded at a record > high near $79 a barrel, gas at the pump went for about $3.03 a gallon. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > winter months and Americans didn't drive longer and longer distances > to get to home, work and play. Last year (August 2006) I paid $3.84 per gallon at one of two gas stations "in" Yosemite. Then again, driving a '71 351C 4V the way I do, who can complain about the price of gas. May I assume if you subscribe to this newsgroup, your favorite ride is not a Prius :) > There is always an excuse for this. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > winter months and Americans didn't drive longer and longer distances > to get to home, work and play. And yet, when the price at the pump goes up, all you hear from the oil companies is how the biggest factor in that price is the price they have to pay for the crude. Suggesting, obviously, that when the price of crude goes down, the price of gas should follow. Guess that only works one way. > NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Last summer when oil traded at a record > high near $79 a barrel, gas at the pump went for about $3.03 a gallon. > Today, crude's about $65 a barrel and a gallon of regular unleaded > costs $3.10 > > Doesn't seem right, does it? It makes perfect sense. Two of our largest oil refineries are shut down for routine maintenance right now, and there is NO slack in the system. When a refinery is shut down, you have an instant gas shortage in the US -- and prices naturally spike. Why is that? Because idiots like you (and me) have elected morons to Congress that created a bureacracy that hasn't allowed a new oil refinery to be built in America since 1976 -- when I was in HIGH SCHOOL. And we've got plenty of oil. We know where it is, and the same bureacrats that won't allow a refinery to be built aren't letting the oil companies go get it. Billions of barrels of oil sit beneath Alaska and the continental shelf. Want to know why gas is so friggin' expensive? Look in the mirror. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA 2000 Mustang Convertible www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" > Why is that? Because idiots like you (and me) have elected morons to > Congress that created a bureacracy that hasn't allowed a new oil > refinery to be built in America since 1976 -- when I was in HIGH > SCHOOL. But only in that it keeps new companies from entering the business. Big oil likes it this way just fine. In fact, they made it this way. http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/pr/?postId=5110 > And we've got plenty of oil. We know where it is, and the same > bureacrats that won't allow a refinery to be built aren't letting the > oil companies go get it. Billions of barrels of oil sit beneath > Alaska and the continental shelf. The world is awash in oil. Sure a lot of it takes a little more to turn into gasoline, but if we are willing to pay $US40 a barrel, and we obviously are, there are at least 3 saudi arabias worth of reserves in the americas. It's just not light sweet crude. >> Why is that? Because idiots like you (and me) have elected morons to >> Congress that created a bureacracy that hasn't allowed a new oil [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >But only in that it keeps new companies from entering the business. Big >oil likes it this way just fine. In fact, they made it this way. It's Al Gore and his ilk who have pushed for the restrictions in order to save the environment. >http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/pr/?postId=5110 > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >obviously are, there are at least 3 saudi arabias worth of reserves in >the americas. It's just not light sweet crude. >>> Why is that? Because idiots like you (and me) have elected morons to >>> Congress that created a bureacracy that hasn't allowed a new oil [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It's Al Gore and his ilk who have pushed for the restrictions in order > to save the environment. It makes for a great scape goat, but regulation is a great form of market protection. Look what giant agri-business is lobbying for regulation wise right now. Various animal tracking regulation that would be impossible or very expensive for the small farmers and ranchers to comply with while they can. >>http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/pr/?postId=5110 >>>> Why is that? Because idiots like you (and me) have elected morons to >>>> Congress that created a bureacracy that hasn't allowed a new oil [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >>>http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/pr/?postId=5110 and another conspiracy raises it's ugly head.... and fire can't melt steel... right Rosie? >>>>> Why is that? Because idiots like you (and me) have elected morons to >>>>> Congress that created a bureacracy that hasn't allowed a new oil [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > and another conspiracy raises it's ugly head.... and fire can't melt > steel... right Rosie? I see, just deny and insult. Typical. It's just so unbelivable that oil companies would act to maximize their profits and not care about the people that get stepped on in the process. I take it you believe Bill Gates didn't use Microsoft marketshare to strong arm computer makers from offering competitor's products? You think all business is done in a sweet and nice and fair way I suppose? Afterall, for this idea to be kooky, you have to believe that big oil companies would go 'we shouldn't do that because it cause gasoline to cost too much for many good americans'.... yeah right. >>>>>> Why is that? Because idiots like you (and me) have elected morons to >>>>>> Congress that created a bureacracy that hasn't allowed a new oil [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >companies would go 'we shouldn't do that because it cause gasoline to cost >too much for many good americans'.... yeah right. It would seem that the entire cycle of life is a consopiracy out to get you. Oil corporations, like any other corporation has no legal responsibility to the consumer other than to provide a safe product. The only fiduciary responsibility any corporation hasto anyone is to the shareholders who expect as great a return on their investments as the corporation can supply. In other words; that responsibility is to generate profits. The same applies to food corporations like Beatrice Foods and RJ Reynolds, to appliance corporations like General Electric, etc. Believe it or not, they do consider what price is too high for the consumer to bear. Bump it up too high and consumption actually does drop (we saw that in the mid 70s oil crisis). Cunsumers curtail travel plans and such. Which leads hotels, resorts, etc to have lower fill rates, so they lose money. The domino effect rolls on.... You probably think unions go on strike because they care about their members. That it is fair to force employers to pay employees more. And yet, employers don't pay more even when they raise pay. They simply pass the extra costs to the consumers... who, in many cases, just happen to be those very same union members who now need more money.... and the cycle continues. >>>>>>> Why is that? Because idiots like you (and me) have elected morons to >>>>>>> Congress that created a bureacracy that hasn't allowed a new oil [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > happen to be those very same union members who now need more money.... > and the cycle continues. Give the man a cigar. I don't like it any more than any of you, but he's dead on. Price elasticity of demand for gasoline is marginal at best. Is that their fault, or the drug cartels', or the tobacco companies? Nope. I will say that the fact that no refineries have been built in 30 years is ... troubling. ;-) But do we have lines at the pumps? Nope.  SignatureJason >>>>>>> Why is that? Because idiots like you (and me) have elected morons to >>>>>>> Congress that created a bureacracy that hasn't allowed a new oil [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > It would seem that the entire cycle of life is a consopiracy out to > get you. WTF? Are you mental? I research something, I find information. You refuse to read it, and insult me instead of having even a bit of an open mind or even addressing what was presented. > Oil corporations, like any other corporation has no legal > responsibility to the consumer other than to provide a safe product. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Foods and RJ Reynolds, to appliance corporations like General > Electric, etc. Gee wally, did I say anything different? NO. I just said what they did to maximize profits. Didn't say it was good, bad, legal, illegal, or otherwise. Just said this is what they did. But you have to go off the deep end insulting me, talking about conspirsy and making up things to assign to me.... > Believe it or not, they do consider what price is too high for the > consumer to bear. Bump it up too high and consumption actually does > drop (we saw that in the mid 70s oil crisis). Cunsumers curtail travel > plans and such. Which leads hotels, resorts, etc to have lower fill > rates, so they lose money. The domino effect rolls on.... That's nice. This century they raise the price up, get people used to it, drop it a little, then rinse and repeat. > You probably think unions go on strike because they care about their > members. Why not just say that I believe GW Bush is reptilian space alien since you're all about making up bullshit to assign to me? Dammit, what the f.ck is wrong with you? >> It would seem that the entire cycle of life is a consopiracy out to >> get you. > >WTF? Are you mental? I research something, I find information. You >refuse to read it, and insult me instead of having even a bit of an open >mind or even addressing what was presented. You research something. That was your choice. Nobody held a gun to your head. Just because someone does or doesn't read your research, and does or doesn't accept it as the final authority, shouldn't upset you so. Al Gore provides people with all kinds of research to back up his position on global warming, and he does the same thing you do when someone doesn't agree with his research. I recall when he was saying the same things about the coming ice age and it's causes. Why should I, or anyone else, put more store in his position simply because he does the research? You mean the same way you insult anyone who doesn't simply swallow your views without question? >> Oil corporations, like any other corporation has no legal >> responsibility to the consumer other than to provide a safe product. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >deep end insulting me, talking about conspirsy and making up things to >assign to me.... Apparently you can dish is out but you can't take it.... >> Believe it or not, they do consider what price is too high for the >> consumer to bear. Bump it up too high and consumption actually does [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Why not just say that I believe GW Bush is reptilian space alien since >you're all about making up bullshit to assign to me? Gee? Reptillian space aliens have unions too? Who would have thunk it? Bet their Great Lizzard probably rips off the membership, too. I sure didn't know that you believed in that too. Thanks for pointing that out to me. >Dammit, what the f.ck is wrong with you? Not a thing? What's wrong with you that you get sooooo upset because anyone questions your views? > You research something. That was your choice. Nobody held a gun to > your head. Just because someone does or doesn't read your research, > and does or doesn't accept it as the final authority, shouldn't upset > you so. You didn't debate its merits. you simply chose to insult me instead. > Al Gore provides people with all kinds of research to back up > his position on global warming, and he does the same thing you do when > someone doesn't agree with his research. I recall when he was saying > the same things about the coming ice age and it's causes. Why should > I, or anyone else, put more store in his position simply because he > does the research? If you were presenting Al Gore's points, I would present counter points not insult you. > You mean the same way you insult anyone who doesn't simply swallow > your views without question? I made no such demand. Your response was to insult me personally instead of come up with something else. You don't get it, you won't get it. Most of the people in this group behave well like children. A reasoned argument with supporting documentation is given and you call names. Even worse, you don't understand how saying I'm 'Rosie' isn't a counter point. Forget it. Pointless. <rest snipped, unread> >> You research something. That was your choice. Nobody held a gun to >> your head. Just because someone does or doesn't read your research, [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > ><rest snipped, unread> You see? You just insulted "most of the people in this group....". You do this consistently when your views and arguments fall on deaf ears. And you wonder why people pick on you? >>>>>>>> Why is that? Because idiots like you (and me) have elected morons to >>>>>>>> Congress that created a bureacracy that hasn't allowed a new oil [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > >Dammit, what the f.ck is wrong with you? In economics it's known as supply & demand. In anal sex, its known as put it in slowly. I would like to know what gas prices should be using any year you want and adjusting it forward for inflation just like many other products. SignatureOn a hot summer night, would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses?" "Yes." "I bet you say that to all the boys! BIG SNIP >>Dammit, what the f.ck is wrong with you? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I would like to know what gas prices should be using any year you want >and adjusting it forward for inflation just like many other products. In the beginning of the oil age in the USA, a barrel of oil went for something like $109. Convert that to today's dollars and figure the price for a gallon after refining. >> NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Last summer when oil traded at a record >> high near $79 a barrel, gas at the pump went for about $3.03 a gallon. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > system. When a refinery is shut down, you have an instant gas > shortage in the US -- and prices naturally spike. What shortage? Is there rationing? Are there lines at the pumps? Not where I live. And someone explain to me the strategy of shutting down "two of our largest oil refineries" for "routine maintenance" just before Memorial Day, a time when gasoline demand can reliably be expected to increase. > And someone explain to me the strategy of shutting down "two of our largest > oil refineries" for "routine maintenance" just before Memorial Day, a time > when gasoline demand can reliably be expected to increase. PROFIT. > What shortage? Is there rationing? Are there lines at the pumps? Not where I > live. Of course not. Higher prices assure that there will be no "rationing" required. That's what the free market *does*. > And someone explain to me the strategy of shutting down "two of our largest > oil refineries" for "routine maintenance" just before Memorial Day, a time > when gasoline demand can reliably be expected to increase. When you've only got the exact, bare minimum number of refineries, there is ALWAYS going to be two down for maintenance. Always. Doesn't matter what time of year. Or would you rather take FOUR of them down in, say, February? Let's watch heating oil prices spike then. No, the solution is to overturn all the idiotic laws that have prevented us from building an efficient oil-to-gas refining and distribution system. I'm afraid it's going to take $8-per-gallon gas to wake the electorate up. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA 2000 Mustang Convertible www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" >There is always an excuse for this. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >winter months and Americans didn't drive longer and longer distances >to get to home, work and play. Meanwhile... in England they pay $7+ per gallon, Germany $5+, Italy $5+ and those are for regular. They've been paying those kinds of prices for decades. In the 70s in Japan I paid $6 per LITER. In Portugal in the 80s, I paid $6.80 and as much as $8.40. Highest price today in California was $5.10 for regular in Mendocono at one gas station. Even Hawaii was cheaper. Meanwhile, gas in Saudi Arabia is 19 CENTS a gallon, and Venezuela, I believe it is 16 CENTS. We do have plenty of oil available. But we lack the refinery and storage to process it. If you think it's bad now... all it takes is another hurricane, oil fire, Iran to block the Strait of Hormuz, or a terrorist attack on one of the middle east refineries to drive the prices right through the roof. > Meanwhile... in England they pay $7+ per gallon, Germany $5+, Italy > $5+ and those are for regular. They've been paying those kinds of > prices for decades. In the 70s in Japan I paid $6 per LITER. In > Portugal in the 80s, I paid $6.80 and as much as $8.40. That's because of taxes and the weak dollar. If the US had the same kind of taxes as those nations we would be paying more than that. >> Meanwhile... in England they pay $7+ per gallon, Germany $5+, Italy >> $5+ and those are for regular. They've been paying those kinds of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >That's because of taxes and the weak dollar. If the US had the same kind >of taxes as those nations we would be paying more than that. While that may be true, in a nation like England where the income tax rate is approximately 40%, those prices compares to spendable income are still killers. Which explains, in part, why ou\ther nations drive small cars. >>> Meanwhile... in England they pay $7+ per gallon, Germany $5+, Italy >>> $5+ and those are for regular. They've been paying those kinds of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > are still killers. Which explains, in part, why ou\ther nations drive > small cars. All taxes put together the US and european nations are probably within a 5% spread I'd wager. It's just done differently from place to place. >>>> Meanwhile... in England they pay $7+ per gallon, Germany $5+, Italy >>>> $5+ and those are for regular. They've been paying those kinds of [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >All taxes put together the US and european nations are probably within a >5% spread I'd wager. It's just done differently from place to place. Then what the heck are you complaining about with your rants about revenue generation? If a country like Sweeden covers people for everything from cradle to grave and charges an income tax rate of 90%, and here you have to pay for much of your own way through a variety of taxes, what is the difference? I do believe you would lose the wager over the 5% spread. England may tax at 40%, for example, but they also require you to have permits to have such things as telvisions. And the traffic fines are far greater in many cases than here.... and imposed far more often. So, in addition to their income tax, they do the same thing you rail against here. >>>>> Meanwhile... in England they pay $7+ per gallon, Germany $5+, Italy >>>>> $5+ and those are for regular. They've been paying those kinds of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>> are still killers. Which explains, in part, why ou\ther nations drive >>> small cars. >>All taxes put together the US and european nations are probably within a >>5% spread I'd wager. It's just done differently from place to place. > Then what the heck are you complaining about with your rants about > revenue generation? What? Why the f.ck are you so hyper sensitive and need to recycle back to underposted speed limits? If you bother to read anything, bother to learn anything, go beyond what the tv tells you to believe, learn something on your own for a change, then you'd grasp the concept that underposted speed limits for revenue gathering make things less safe and traffic congestion worse. But hey, you and your grade school level butt buddies here are just going to have another childish laugh calling me names again and ignoring all the information. So, obviously that's why you're going this route. > If a country like Sweeden covers people for > everything from cradle to grave and charges an income tax rate of 90%, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > addition to their income tax, they do the same thing you rail against > here. Yes, they have underposted speed limits for revenue collection too. And people burn speed cameras over there. And when one looks into their road safety because of said speed cameras, it's at best no improvement and sometimes more dangerous. But if you had researched the topic you would already know it and wouldn't be trying to recycle back to that to cover your a.s here. >>>>>> Meanwhile... in England they pay $7+ per gallon, Germany $5+, Italy >>>>>> $5+ and those are for regular. They've been paying those kinds of [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >already know it and wouldn't be trying to recycle back to that to cover >your a.s here. You need to lighten up before you blow a head gasket. Why are you so afraid of me and my views? For some reason, you just can't handle anyone who follows a different path. In the end, what does it get you? I've done my own research, and I happen to disagree with yours. That even happens with the so called experts. I don't get upset over your views. I make my points and leave them up to you, and anyone else to accept or reject. No big deal. I expect people to disagree. My feelings are not hurt when someone disagrees, and my head doesn't swell when I find someone who does. Your world seems to hang on having others agree with your views. Guess what. The world is not going to end tomorrow simply because you did some research which I didn't take as gospel. Chill, dude. In 10,000 years nobody will care what you or I think. >>>>>> Meanwhile... in England they pay $7+ per gallon, Germany $5+, Italy >>>>>> $5+ and those are for regular. They've been paying those kinds of [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >already know it and wouldn't be trying to recycle back to that to cover >your a.s here. While I don't disagree with your hypothesis, the average American can't drive worth a sh.t to begin with. Therefore, we are all held to the LCD standard. SignatureOn a hot summer night, would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses?" "Yes." "I bet you say that to all the boys! > While I don't disagree with your hypothesis, the average American > can't drive worth a sh.t to begin with. Therefore, we are all held to > the LCD standard. I do disagree with your hypothesis. I'm the average American, and I think I drive fairly well. In fact, AS the average American, I drive better than 95% of the drivers out there. Where do you fall on the curve? dwight >> While I don't disagree with your hypothesis, the average American >> can't drive worth a sh.t to begin with. Therefore, we are all held to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >dwight I can see that you are also a product of our educational system. If you are better then 95% of the drivers out there -- how on earth can you be average? SignatureOn a hot summer night, would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses?" "Yes." "I bet you say that to all the boys! >>> While I don't disagree with your hypothesis, the average American >>> can't drive worth a sh.t to begin with. Therefore, we are all held to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >you are better then 95% of the drivers out there -- how on earth can >you be average? Because numbers can be made to say anything the user wants them to say? >>> While I don't disagree with your hypothesis, the average American >>> can't drive worth a sh.t to begin with. Therefore, we are all held to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > you are better then 95% of the drivers out there -- how on earth can > you be average? Because the average driver in American truly believes that he IS better than 95% of the rest. I repeat - where do you come in? dwight >>>> While I don't disagree with your hypothesis, the average American >>>> can't drive worth a sh.t to begin with. Therefore, we are all held to [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > I repeat - where do you come in? Moot question. He likes mass transit. ;) >>>>> While I don't disagree with your hypothesis, the average American >>>>> can't drive worth a sh.t to begin with. Therefore, we are all held to [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Moot question. He likes mass transit. ;) Bet your a.s. When I can't even go the speed limit because of the congestion on a 6/8 lane highway & gas is north of $3.00 bucks, I'd like to kick back & relax on the way home instead of arriving there more pissed off then when I left work. Signature"On a hot summer night, would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses?" "Yes." "I bet you say that to all the boys! >>>>>> While I don't disagree with your hypothesis, the average American >>>>>> can't drive worth a sh.t to begin with. Therefore, we are all held to [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > like to kick back & relax on the way home instead of arriving there > more pissed off then when I left work. I would do the same if I had to commute to DC every day. >>>> While I don't disagree with your hypothesis, the average American >>>> can't drive worth a sh.t to begin with. Therefore, we are all held to [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >I repeat - where do you come in? I come in where ever I want. I've earned the right to, but that is a different issue. Mario Andretti I am not, but I've been to his driving school. I also got my first license in Germany in the early 70's. I don't cruise in the left lane, I pass in it. I turn on my headlights when it is raining or overcast. Oh, and I know where my turn signals are and how to use them. I also know how to drive in all weather conditions, how to control a skid, and pay more attention to the car in front of the one in front of me then I do the other way around. I also campaigned in several different classes of motorcycle road-racing over 30-years ago before it was popular. I've owned at one time or another almost every muscle car built and currently have a `95 Corvette, an `01 GT drop-top, an `07 Cadillac SRX with a Northstar V8, and an `06 Harley Classic sitting in garages or driveways. Am I average? No not quite, but then again the "average" American is -- well just average. It is one of the problems with this country. The LCD mindset. Signature"On a hot summer night, would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses?" "Yes." "I bet you say that to all the boys! >>>>> While I don't disagree with your hypothesis, the average American >>>>> can't drive worth a sh.t to begin with. Therefore, we are all held to [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > -- well just average. It is one of the problems with this country. > The LCD mindset. My point exactly. You seem to consider yourself above average, as does everyone else. Personally, I think the average driver does fairly well. When I consider the millions of drivers in just the Philadelphia tri-state area, the fact that traffic just seems to "work", that the number of fender-benders is miniscule compared to the available pool of potential accidents, I think it's miraculous. Yet EVERYONE (almost without exception) complains about the morons out there. So, when I see someone complaining about "the average American driver," I question what's behind that complaint. If I were a Christian, I would probably say something about letting the sinless cast the first stone, and that wouldn't be me. I've screwed up, and it's only because of the reactions of the average American drivers around me that my car hasn't been hit. Now, if you have never done anything stupid behind the wheel, if you've never caused any other drivers to hit their brakes, if you're a faultless driver, then I'm glad to meet you. You'd be the first. I have no problem with the average driver. It's the boobs on the fringes who bother me - the ones who have no business driving, either because they're so BAD at it, or because they seem to believe they're much better than they really are. dwight >>>>>> While I don't disagree with your hypothesis, the average American >>>>>> can't drive worth a sh.t to begin with. Therefore, we are all held to [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >My point exactly. You seem to consider yourself above average, as does >everyone else. I don't consider myself above average -- I know I am given the statistics. Just because one thinks they are something, doesn't mean they are. >Personally, I think the average driver does fairly well. When I consider the >millions of drivers in just the Philadelphia tri-state area, the fact that >traffic just seems to "work", that the number of fender-benders is miniscule >compared to the available pool of potential accidents, I think it's >miraculous. Probably chaos theory at work. We have ton's of rear-enders where I live. I've been rear-ended three times in 14 years. Almost every accident I see is a rear-ender. >Yet EVERYONE (almost without exception) complains about the morons out >there. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >caused any other drivers to hit their brakes, if you're a faultless driver, >then I'm glad to meet you. You'd be the first. In damn near 4-decades of licensed driving I've never bee the cause of an accident, nor been involved in a solo one either in a car. I have had two solo street motorcycle incidents. >I have no problem with the average driver. It's the boobs on the fringes who >bother me - the ones who have no business driving, either because they're so >BAD at it, or because they seem to believe they're much better than they >really are. Guess it is just a difference of opinion. I think the average ones are the boobs. Signature"On a hot summer night, would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses?" "Yes." "I bet you say that to all the boys! SNIP >>Personally, I think the average driver does fairly well. When I consider the >>millions of drivers in just the Philadelphia tri-state area, the fact that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >live. I've been rear-ended three times in 14 years. Almost every >accident I see is a rear-ender. I hear they have that problem in San Francisco a lot. :0) >>Yet EVERYONE (almost without exception) complains about the morons out >>there. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Guess it is just a difference of opinion. I think the average ones >are the boobs. >SNIP >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >I hear they have that problem in San Francisco a lot. :0) What is the one question you never want to hear in a Gay bar? Excuse me sir, may I push up your stool. Signature"On a hot summer night, would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses?" "Yes." "I bet you say that to all the boys! SNIP >>Yes, they have underposted speed limits for revenue collection too. And >>people burn speed cameras over there. And when one looks into their road [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >can't drive worth a sh.t to begin with. Therefore, we are all held to >the LCD standard. Actually, when you take into account the numbers of drivers, the conditions of the roads, etc, US drivers are not that bad compared to many other countries I have driven in. If you notice the drivers where you live and compare their driving to drivers who visit your particular locale, I would say that the "foreign" drivers are far worse. The local drivers have adopted their style in order to survive. The "foreign" drivers have not yet learned those survival techniques. A zillion cars flow into and out of the major metro areas like LA, SF, NY, etc, every day and survive the trip because the have learned the skills to survive. If that requires a driver to be rude, or act in other ways to survive, that's what they do. The person lacking those skills is the one most apt to initiate a chain reaction because they are trying to use the survival skills of their home territory. This is something man has used since long before the car. Environmental adaptation. For example, the colonists who adopted buckskin and blended into the woodlands the way the Indians did not only kept their scalps, but whipped the hell out of the British who wore red and marched in a straight line. The Brits failed to adopt the survival skills in the new environment. > SNIP >>> Yes, they have underposted speed limits for revenue collection too. And [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > wore red and marched in a straight line. The Brits failed to adopt the > survival skills in the new environment. Reminds me of one of my favorite all time movies, "The Patriot". >> SNIP >>>> Yes, they have underposted speed limits for revenue collection too. And [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >Reminds me of one of my favorite all time movies, "The Patriot". Mine, too. Or how about "Last of the Mohicans" when the Indians lined the roadway and the Brits walked right into the killing zone and never saw it coming? >>> SNIP >>>>> Yes, they have underposted speed limits for revenue collection too. And [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > the roadway and the Brits walked right into the killing zone and never > saw it coming? That is a great movie too. It has one of the best endings of any movie made, IMO. >>>>>>> On Fri, 18 May 2007 14:44:48 -0500, >>>>>>> tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > That is a great movie too. It has one of the best endings of any movie > made, IMO. I like My Cousin Vinnie. dwight >>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 May 2007 14:44:48 -0500, >>>>>>>> tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > I like My Cousin Vinnie. I like Vinnie's wife. Good looking and she can replace the head gaskets on my Mustang. :) >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 May 2007 14:44:48 -0500, >>>>>>>>> tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >I like Vinnie's wife. Good looking and she can replace the head gaskets >on my Mustang. :) Only if she's blown them first. Signature"On a hot summer night, would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses?" "Yes." "I bet you say that to all the boys! >> Meanwhile... in England they pay $7+ per gallon, Germany $5+, Italy >> $5+ and those are for regular. They've been paying those kinds of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That's because of taxes and the weak dollar. If the US had the same kind > of taxes as those nations we would be paying more than that. My understanding is: At $3 a gallon, we pay about $2 for gas and $1 for taxes. In Europe they pay $2 for gas and $4 for taxes. Those are not exactly figures mind you :) The price of gas is the same, it is the tax structure. And we don't have an Autobahn, which is one of the perks :( Try driving like that on 101 (if it were legal), your suspension would not last a mile. |
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