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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / September 2007

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72 Mach1 intermittent starting

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neildomo - 01 Aug 2007 22:11 GMT
I have a '72 Mach1 that had a rough life before I got it. Somewhere
along the way it got a mid-80s 302 put in it, and the wiring's been
cut and spliced over and over. When I got the car it started reliably,
although if the battery was left attached it would get drained to
nothing before the week was out. I'm working around that
(disconnecting when not in use), but lately the car has been just not
starting. What seems to be happening is, on the weekend I'll hook up
the battery and notice the dome light goes on when i open the door.
Turn the key; it turns over and starts up. I drive it for about 10-15
minutes, then come back home and shut it off. I try to turn the key
again and nothing. No starter motor, not even a 'click' sound from the
starter solenoid on the wheel well. Open the door and the dome light
comes on as it should. Turn on the headlights and they light and don't
visibly dim after 30 seconds. Last weekend I tried checking all the
connections between the starter, starter solenoid, alternator, and
ignition on the column. Thought I had it licked when it started, but
same thing happened again. I've already replaced the alternator and
starter solenoid. What to do now? I'm hoping I can put off rewiring
the whole car until I decide what I'm going to do about the engine,
but I'd like to at least have it running reliably until then. Any
ideas?

Thanks,
    Neil
Les Benn - 01 Aug 2007 22:33 GMT
>I have a '72 Mach1 that had a rough life before I got it. Somewhere
> along the way it got a mid-80s 302 put in it, and the wiring's been
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Thanks,
>     Neil

There are two things that kill a battery the starter and the horn. I assume
you did a current draw on both? If not take the starter down to an auto
parts store and have a current draw test done on it.
for the horn a simple thing to do is disconnect it and see if the battery is
still discharging.
Dear Leader - 02 Aug 2007 01:42 GMT
>I have a '72 Mach1 that had a rough life before I got it. Somewhere
> along the way it got a mid-80s 302 put in it, and the wiring's been
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Thanks,
>     Neil

I had similar problem,

could be the starter solenoid, itself, I found one (a brand new one) the
internal ground wire was not even connected, just lying on the chassis
ground, piece of sh.t china junk.  Replaced it, now OK, but could be same
china pos.

try testing the solenoid by itself, disconnect heavy battery lead, by
applying 12 to the terminal, should be loud click, mine was intermittent,
replaced it again now ok.
walt peifer - 03 Aug 2007 17:26 GMT
>>I have a '72 Mach1 that had a rough life before I got it. Somewhere
>> along the way it got a mid-80s 302 put in it, and the wiring's been
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> applying 12 to the terminal, should be loud click, mine was intermittent,
> replaced it again now ok.

You list the car as a mach 1.Starter not even working no click nothing? Some
mach's mostly big blocks though had a starter overheat module just below the
solenoid. this was to stop from melting the battery cables under the high
load of the big block starter.

Other than that like everyone else I'd say starter solenoid has a heat
problem and needs to be replaced.
Kwiksilver - 12 Sep 2007 19:05 GMT
> GUEST wrote
> I have a '72 Mach1 that had a rough life before I got it. Somewher
> along the way it got a mid-80s 302 put in it, and the wiring's bee
> cut and spliced over and over. When I got the car it starte
reliably
> although if the battery was left attached it would get drained t
> nothing before the week was out. I'm working around tha
> (disconnecting when not in use), but lately the car has been jus
no
> starting. What seems to be happening is, on the weekend I'll hoo
u
> the battery and notice the dome light goes on when i open the door
> Turn the key; it turns over and starts up. I drive it for abou
10-1
> minutes, then come back home and shut it off. I try to turn the ke
> again and nothing. No starter motor, not even a 'click' sound fro
th
> starter solenoid on the wheel well. Open the door and the dom
ligh
> comes on as it should. Turn on the headlights and they light an
don'
> visibly dim after 30 seconds. Last weekend I tried checking all th
> connections between the starter, starter solenoid, alternator, an
> ignition on the column. Thought I had it licked when it started
bu
> same thing happened again. I've already replaced the alternator an
> starter solenoid. What to do now? I'm hoping I can put off rewirin
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Thanks
>      Nei

I've had Ford small blocks in classic Mustangs fo
30 years. They are pretty simple configurations compared to the newe
motors

From what you have described, the problem obviously is in the wirin
or an item in the wiring. The fact that the wiring has been patche
is a sure red flag and likely where the problem is. The batter
running down if you leave the battery attached is pretty unusual
Short of leaving lights (or a horn button short) on I can't think o
what would cause that other than a short in that wiring. I woul
replace the harness to eliminate that as a potential cause

Another thing you should check just to eliminate this is the ground o
the block. Take it off and sand the rust off the end and the block. I
there is not a good ground, it won't turn over. And if you haven'
cleaned this if could be giving you some intermittant problems. Thi
is a pretty easy thing to "fix". It might be rusty enoug
and/or loose to be causing issues. This would not run your batter
down though
 
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