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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / September 2007

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toploader 4spd question?

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rick@canoeoutriggers.com - 15 Sep 2007 16:12 GMT
What oil should I run in my toploader 4spd? 20w 50 or 90w gear oil?
goodnigh - 15 Sep 2007 16:38 GMT
> What oil should I run in my toploader 4spd? 20w 50 or 90w gear oil?

My Ford owner's manual recommends Ford part number C3RZ-19C547-B.
Ford specification ESW-M2C83-B.
If that helps.
John - 15 Sep 2007 22:21 GMT
> What oil should I run in my toploader 4spd? 20w 50 or 90w gear oil?

Probably 90w.  What's your climate like?

Do NOT use a synthetic.  Use good old fashioned dinolube.

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WindsorFox - 16 Sep 2007 01:24 GMT
>> What oil should I run in my toploader 4spd? 20w 50 or 90w gear oil?
>
> Probably 90w.  What's your climate like?
>
> Do NOT use a synthetic.  Use good old fashioned dinolube.

   ALways use a good topshelf synthetic!

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John - 18 Sep 2007 02:17 GMT
>>> What oil should I run in my toploader 4spd? 20w 50 or 90w gear oil?
>>
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>    ALways use a good topshelf synthetic!

Not in a top loader, it needs some friction to work!

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Richard - 18 Sep 2007 02:31 GMT
> >>> What oil should I run in my toploader 4spd? 20w 50 or 90w gear oil?
> >>
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> Not in a top loader, it needs some friction to work!

Reminded me of a story a long, long time ago when Rolls Royce engineers were
interested in building an automatic transmission using a GM version for
their copy. Thing was when they made theirs they improved all the machining
to get rid of what they perceived as being imperfections only to later
discover that those imperfections are what made the tranny work.

Urban legend. probably?

Richard
goodnigh - 19 Sep 2007 00:22 GMT
>> >>> What oil should I run in my toploader 4spd? 20w 50 or 90w gear oil?
>> >>
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> Urban legend. probably?

Reminds me of an experience when I thought my Toploader was grinding gears
when downshifting from 3rd to 2nd.  I loaned the car to a friend and asked
him
if he heard the "grinding" sound on downshift and he said, "no, it's a
muscle car".
And that is not legend.

mike
Big Al - 19 Sep 2007 19:06 GMT
>> >>> What oil should I run in my toploader 4spd? 20w 50 or 90w gear oil?
>> >>
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> Richard

Lots of RR's used TH400 transmissions.

Al
WindsorFox - 18 Sep 2007 03:51 GMT
>>>> What oil should I run in my toploader 4spd? 20w 50 or 90w gear oil?
>>>>
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> Not in a top loader, it needs some friction to work!

    Sorry, I don't buy that.

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John - 19 Sep 2007 04:01 GMT
>>>>> What oil should I run in my toploader 4spd? 20w 50 or 90w gear oil?
>>>>>
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>     Sorry, I don't buy that.

When I first got my Mach 1 I thought the synchronizer on 2nd was shot.  I
called David Kee and he said before I have it rebuilt call the previous
owner and ask what lube he used.  He said if it has a synthetic the
toploader doesn't work right sometimes.  I called.  He said he had just had
his local shop "go through" the transmission, which I remember him saying
when I bought it.  He called them and they had refilled it with Amsoil FGR.
I drained that out and refilled it with dinolude.  It got lots better, but
not 100% yet.  After a few terror runs, I drained the tranny again and
refilled with dinolude again.  This time it was perfect!

It saved me about a $1,000 avoiding a rebuild, so I'm a believer.

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