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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / October 2007NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
Disclaimer: Despite the thread name this is not a porno video. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=104572 Patrick > Disclaimer: Despite the thread name this is not a porno video. > > http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=104572 Further proof to back up my claim that the 4.6L engine in the '03-'04 Cobras is one of the best, if not the best, engine EVER put into a production car. They didn't even have to take the valve covers off to make nearly 700 horsepower. That engine is one of the toughest built SOBs from the factory ever produced. >> Disclaimer: Despite the thread name this is not a porno video. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > make nearly 700 horsepower. That engine is one of the toughest built > SOBs from the factory ever produced. So goddammit, why doesn't Ford offer this thing as an option for the regular ol' '08 GT??? >>> Disclaimer: Despite the thread name this is not a porno video. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > So goddammit, why doesn't Ford offer this thing as an option for the > regular ol' '08 GT??? Because it needs a blower to make the power due to its lower compression. Plus, the parts used in that motor is complete overkill for a garden variety Mustang GT that will stay mostly stock. The price increase isn't worth it, IMO. It would be nice if they would make the rods, crank and forged pistons in it an engine upgrade option for those that know a blower is in their future. Just call it a blower friendly bottom end upgrade. >>>> Disclaimer: Despite the thread name this is not a porno video. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > that know a blower is in their future. Just call it a blower friendly > bottom end upgrade. If it's so dependable and rock solid, I still can't see why that complete engine including the blower isn't offered as an option for the GT. Here's an idea: Dump the "specialty" cars like the GT500 and simply offer the goodies that made that car a GT500 as options for the Mustang GT. That's not far from what they did in the late 60s and early 70s, so why not now? Seems to be a win-win deal to me... >>>>> Disclaimer: Despite the thread name this is not a porno video. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > GT. That's not far from what they did in the late 60s and early 70s, so > why not now? Seems to be a win-win deal to me... IMO, because Ford couldn't charge the outrageous prices for an option package like they can for cars like the GT500. They are making insane profits on the GT500 and will on he new Boss etc. Making these car's components just option choices kills their exclusivity and therefore profits. > IMO, because Ford couldn't charge the outrageous prices for an option > package like they can for cars like the GT500. They are making insane > profits on the GT500 and will on he new Boss etc. Making these car's > components just option choices kills their exclusivity and therefore > profits. Insane is right. They make cars few people could afford and keep the price high while the company is going down the tubes. Why not SELL the cars? Selling cars is what they are supposed to do. Now they are going to quit selling Crown Vic's except to fleets. Sell the people what they want. What genius decided to re-badge the 500 and call it a Taurus? That should really help. Al >> IMO, because Ford couldn't charge the outrageous prices for an option >> package like they can for cars like the GT500. They are making insane [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > genius decided to re-badge the 500 and call it a Taurus? That should really > help. Unfortunately, Ford's problems run much deeper than what they are doing with the GT500/Mustang sales. They only wish the rest of their car line was as successful as the Mustang. IMO, Ford's biggest problem is they have good cars that have no identity. They have ditched their long time model names and in the process disconnected themselves from a large number of past buyers of those cars. Re-badging the 500 a Taurus is a step in the right direction, IMO. They need to bring out a RWD, V-8 two door coupe and sell it as the Thunderbird too. Maybe even make an upscale version of the Mustang and market as the new Cougar. >>> IMO, because Ford couldn't charge the outrageous prices for an option >>> package like they can for cars like the GT500. They are making insane [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > coupe and sell it as the Thunderbird too. Maybe even make an upscale > version of the Mustang and market as the new Cougar. Except the 500 badge name was in my opinion a step in the right direction, I liked the car and the name. Sticking the Taurus name on that car pisses me off, they couldn't have kept the 500 and redone the Taurus? Now where the hell is the new Mustang chassis based retro 1969~1970 styled Mercury Cougar??? I want my 500 horse 5.4 2009 Cougar Eliminator!!! >>>> IMO, because Ford couldn't charge the outrageous prices for an option >>>> package like they can for cars like the GT500. They are making insane [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > liked the car and the name. Sticking the Taurus name on that car pisses me > off, they couldn't have kept the 500 and redone the Taurus? I think re-badging the 500 was the best they could do to stop the profuse bleeding. I think they would prefer to bring out a new Taurus but didn't have the time, and maybe the cash, to pull it off. I think they should have designed an all new car that was as risky as the first Taurus was in its day. Ford really crawled out on a limb with the original Taurus and it paid off BIG. They did the same with the new Mustang's styling and it too paid off big. IMO, they need to regain that same spirit in order to get themselves out of their current mess. > Now where the hell is the new Mustang chassis based retro 1969~1970 styled > Mercury Cougar??? I want my 500 horse 5.4 2009 Cougar Eliminator!!! I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. >>>>> IMO, because Ford couldn't charge the outrageous prices for an option >>>>> package like they can for cars like the GT500. They are making insane [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32 valve > V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell like crazy!  SignatureJohn - ThunderSnake #59 '69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V Wide Ratio Toploader 3.50 Traction-Lok Acapulco Blue >>>>>> IMO, because Ford couldn't charge the outrageous prices for an option >>>>>> package like they can for cars like the GT500. They are making insane [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell like crazy! That's like putting mustard on ice cream. >>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32 >>> valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. >> >> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell like crazy! > > That's like putting mustard on ice cream. Yuck! Being the ice cream connoisseur that I was, pre-diabetic now in my 50's, that was like a pan of cold water. I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the somewhat brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most likely displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, football practices and games, and the odd weekend project, I think it would do quite well. SignatureJohn - ThunderSnake #59 '69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V Wide Ratio Toploader 3.50 Traction-Lok Acapulco Blue >>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32 >>>> valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yuck! Being the ice cream connoisseur that I was, pre-diabetic now in my 50's, > that was like a pan of cold water. Sometimes a slap to the face is needed. ;) > I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the somewhat brand > loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most likely displaced, > secretary with several kids and friends, football practices and games, and > the odd weekend project, I think it would do quite well. I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a four door Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang enthusiasts they would lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant to be, like a four door Mustang. Any more than two doors and it ceases to be a Mustang. Besides there are plenty of fine and capable four door sedans to choose from that are already in the showrooms. >>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32 >>>>> valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > plenty of fine and capable four door sedans to choose from that are > already in the showrooms. One of the things that has helped the Mustang to appeal to such a wide market over the years has been all the options that were and are available from the stripped down, no thrills cheapie to the aftermarket, and now factory available, corvette stomper. A wagon option would certainly stir things up and be newsworthy for a short while, but I don't see anyone with the money and the nads to want a GT or GT500 to back off because of this added option. Remember the Mustang II, that fiasco doesn't seem to have crippled the image or sales at all. SignatureJohn - ThunderSnake #59 '69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V Wide Ratio Toploader 3.50 Traction-Lok Acapulco Blue >>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32 >>>>>> valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > added option. Remember the Mustang II, that fiasco doesn't seem to have > crippled the image or sales at all. It is a pride thing, IMO. It would also show mega desperation on Ford's part to cannibalize the Mustang to market a four door station wagon. It would be like Chevy offering a Camaro or Corvette four door wagon. >>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32 >>>>>> valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > added option. Remember the Mustang II, that fiasco doesn't seem to have > crippled the image or sales at all. The Mustang II was still a TWO DOOR! The 1974 Mustang II sales were outstanding BTW... >>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32 >>>>>>> valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > The Mustang II was still a TWO DOOR! > The 1974 Mustang II sales were outstanding BTW... Yeah, they were. Ford provided the public with a base model Mustang that hit the bullseye coming out of the oil embargo, high insurance rates for muscle cars and tightening emissions requirements. They didn't make the V-8 model outstanding but they gave us one of the best selling models in the Mustang's history while keeping to the original formula for the car. If they hadn't then we might have seen the end of the Mustang run in the next couple of years. >>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32 >>>>> valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > there are plenty of fine and capable four door sedans to choose from > that are already in the showrooms. So you're thinking that if they came out with a second different model that has four doors, some loyal Mustang owners would sell and or never buy another Mustang again even with the two door still in production?? Signature"So round, so firm, so fully packed, so easy on the draw" - Daffy Duck "I get the impression that Jamie is a papusa or two short of a combination plate." - Kent Wills >>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A >>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > never buy another Mustang again even with the two door still in > production?? Selling a Mom and Pop four door Mustang diminishes the car's mystic, reputation, heritage etc. It would also show Ford is so desperate to sell vehicles that they will jeopardize one of their best selling, most long term success models to do it. It would be a very bad business decision, IMO. >>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32 >>>>>>> valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > term success models to do it. It would be a very bad business decision, > IMO. That was part of my point on the Mustang II. Ford tweaked the successful model of the past and went with a different vision, small and efficient and green, and you are right, it probably did save the car from extinction. Now look at the demographics and situation. Lots of families near the peak of their earning potential and double income families. Most with kids and 1-2 homes. And, the parents either owned or longed for or lost their virginity in the backseat or knew someone who owned a Mustang. I think two things may prevent Ford from doing a Mustang Stationwagon. One, they don't have the vision I do, and, two, they fear it'll slow their truck sales. SignatureJohn - ThunderSnake #59 '69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V Wide Ratio Toploader 3.50 Traction-Lok Acapulco Blue >>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A >>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > long term success models to do it. It would be a very bad business > decision, IMO. Well, I'm not positive I agree with that, but they could always call it a Falcon. Signature"So round, so firm, so fully packed, so easy on the draw" - Daffy Duck "I get the impression that Jamie is a papusa or two short of a combination plate." - Kent Wills >>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A >>>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Well, I'm not positive I agree with that, but they could always call > it a Falcon. I don't care what they would call it as long as it doesn't have a Mustang connotation in its name or even remotely resembles one. >>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A >>>>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > I don't care what they would call it as long as it doesn't have a Mustang > connotation in its name or even remotely resembles one If one's wife has her tits enhanced, they are still tits, and I doubt one will get so upset that he forgoes sharing carnal pleasures with her. He will probably do just the opposite. SignatureJohn - ThunderSnake #59 '69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V Wide Ratio Toploader 3.50 Traction-Lok Acapulco Blue . >>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A >>>>>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > will get so upset that he forgoes sharing carnal pleasures with her. He > will probably do just the opposite. Fake boobs do nothing for me. I'll take a set of natural A cups over a set of DD's full of man made junk any day. Would you inject your penis with silicone to make it bigger? I sure as hell wouldn't. I think it is sad that us men have made women think they need all this plastic surgery to look attractive and be desirable. >>>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A >>>>>>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > sad that us men have made women think they need all this plastic surgery > to look attractive and be desirable. Have you ever heard of Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) What is it? ODD is a psychiatric disorder that is characterized by aggressiveness and a tendency to purposefully bother and irritate others. In layman terms it's like having a PhD in HTPPO (how to piss people off). SignatureJohn - ThunderSnake #59 '69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V Wide Ratio Toploader 3.50 Traction-Lok Acapulco Blue >>>>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A >>>>>>>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > tendency to purposefully bother and irritate others. In layman terms it's > like having a PhD in HTPPO (how to piss people off). That sounds like a something we all suffer from here in this group. >>>>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, >>>>>>>>>>>> N/A 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > a tendency to purposefully bother and irritate others. In layman terms > it's like having a PhD in HTPPO (how to piss people off). Ah that's your problem! Well at least you recognize it, isn't that the first step to recovery??? > Fake boobs do nothing for me. I'll take a set of natural A cups over a > set of DD's full of man made junk any day. I could not agree more! What a waste. Too bad they don't realize most guys are MUCH more concerned with a.s and legs. Patrick >> Fake boobs do nothing for me. I'll take a set of natural A cups over a >> set of DD's full of man made junk any day. > > I could not agree more! What a waste. Too bad they don't realize > most guys are MUCH more concerned with a.s and legs. I figured anyone that likes fake boobs must be into blowup dolls too. >>> Fake boobs do nothing for me. I'll take a set of natural A cups over a >>> set of DD's full of man made junk any day. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I figured anyone that likes fake boobs must be into blowup dolls too. Exactly! >> Fake boobs do nothing for me. I'll take a set of natural A cups >> over a set of DD's full of man made junk any day. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Patrick Tout l'ensemble. SignatureFrank ess >>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A >>>>>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > will get so upset that he forgoes sharing carnal pleasures with her. He > will probably do just the opposite. Fake tits? Absolutely unacceptable, that is worse than a tramp stamp... >>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32 >>>>>>>> valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Well, I'm not positive I agree with that, but they could always call it > a Falcon. Over the years, couldn't you get the Falcon in a coupe, sedan, station wagon, and a ranchero (or was that a pre-ranchero)? I don't think I ever saw a convertible though. SignatureJohn - ThunderSnake #59 '69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V Wide Ratio Toploader 3.50 Traction-Lok Acapulco Blue >>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A >>>>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > wagon, and a ranchero (or was that a pre-ranchero)? I don't think I ever > saw a convertible though. 1964 Falcon Convertible http://www.petesretros.com/Ford_Falcon_For%20Sale.html >>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, >>>>>>>>>> N/A 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > 1964 Falcon Convertible > http://www.petesretros.com/Ford_Falcon_For%20Sale.html And also: http://www.seriouswheels.com/1960-1969/1963-Ford-Falcon-Futura-Convertible-White.htm Here's the pickup: http://www.lemonfree.com/8523003.html > >>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32 > >>>> valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. > >>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell like crazy! > >> That's like putting mustard on ice cream. > > I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the somewhat brand > > loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most likely displaced, > > secretary with several kids and friends, football practices and games, and > > the odd weekend project, I think it would do quite well. > I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a four door > Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang enthusiasts they would > lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant to be, like a four door > Mustang. Mike, I don't know why you would assume a 4-door Mustang or a Mustang wagon would drive buyers of the 2-door variety away. I don't think it would. Or am I crazy to think buyers can easily be fooled with some different trim and a name change -- i.e Firebird/Camaro and Cougar/Mustang, Patrick (Love to have a Mustang mini-wagon/some thing like the old BMW M- coupe.) >>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32 >>>>>> valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > (Love to have a Mustang mini-wagon/some thing like the old BMW M- > coupe.) I'm all for Ford putting out a performance wagon. Just don't bastardize the Mustang to do it. It would only take away from the Mustang's heritage, IMO. >>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A >>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > bastardize the Mustang to do it. It would only take away from the > Mustang's heritage, IMO. I think the Mustang would survive with its heritage intact. Even after the Mustang II era, it's going as strong as ever. >>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A >>>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > I think the Mustang would survive with its heritage intact. Even after > the Mustang II era, it's going as strong as ever. The Mustang II era was Nothing compared to bastardizing the entire car by making it a 4 door, or worse a wagon. (think the gay Nazi's driving the '74 pinto wagon in the Blues Brothers here http://www.imcdb.org/images/019/429.jpg) The Mustang II remained a 2 door PONY car. They did what you are suggesting under another name plate, then as they should now. Would you also lobby for a 4 door station wagon corvette? How about the Ford GT super car with 4 doors, cause we are all getting older ya know... That's retarded, and so is destroying the Mustang, it is, was and always has been a two door PONY CAR. Doesn't it strike you a little odd that you think someone would buy and drive a re-badged Volvo station wagon with a pony in the grill and C-scoops in the quarters because they "really" wanted to be driving a 2-door pony car, a Mustang??? Come On Now, just because you are getting older doesn't mean you gotta ruin it for everyone else. >>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, >>>>>>>>> N/A 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > http://www.imcdb.org/images/019/429.jpg) The Mustang II remained a 2 > door PONY car. The Mustang II started life on a Pinto chassis and morphed into its own unique self after much factory rework. > They did what you are suggesting under another name > plate, then as they should now. 1) I didn't make the suggestion. 2) The Mustang II was a far worse mortal sin to Mustang heritage than any Mustang 4-door or wagon. > Would you also lobby for a 4 door > station wagon corvette? I'm not lobbying for anything except performance vehicles. 4 doors, wagon, hatch, convertible, you name it. If it performs, then I'm for it. > How about the Ford GT super car with 4 doors, > cause we are all getting older ya know... That's retarded, and so is > destroying the Mustang, it is, was and always has been a two door PONY > CAR. If you want to label the Mustang II as a pony car, then go for it. But that's even more retarded than your other examples. > Doesn't it strike you a little odd that you think someone would buy > and drive a re-badged Volvo station wagon with a pony in the grill and > C-scoops in the quarters because they "really" wanted to be driving a > 2-door pony car, a Mustang??? Actually, no. But I never had that thought. > Come On Now, just because you are getting older doesn't mean you gotta > ruin it for everyone else. So who's holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy this vehicle that doesn't even exist? >>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, >>>>>>>>>> N/A 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > So who's holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy this vehicle that > doesn't even exist? And thankfully NEVER WILL!!! >>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A >>>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > I think the Mustang would survive with its heritage intact. Even after > the Mustang II era, it's going as strong as ever. I wouldn't risk it if I were Ford. Bone head moves have a way of getting blown out of proportion and I would consider a four door Mustang a bone head move. Do you like the idea of a four door Camaro, Corvette, Miata, Porsche, etc.? I can't believe you would. Would you? <waiting nervously for an answer> >>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A >>>>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > getting blown out of proportion and I would consider a four door Mustang > a bone head move. Michael, I basically agree with you. But I can definitely see a slot for a Ford 4-door vehicle to go head to head with the Charger, Magnum, 300, and the up-and-coming G8. If you don't want to call it a Mustang, that's great. Call it something else. I really don't care what it's called. > Do you like the idea of a four door Camaro, Corvette, I haven't seen a contemporary 2-door Camaro yet, so I'll reserve judgement on that. The CTS-V is a 4-door Corvette, whether you like it or not. :) > Miata, Porsche, etc.? I can't believe you would. Would you? <waiting > nervously for an answer> The Cayenne is arguably a 4-door performance Porsche. Let's also take a look at MB, BMW, Audi, Acura, etc. They all have 4-door performance vehicles that will kick major a.s. As for the Miata, well, that's a weenie car with RWD. Stuff a 350hp V8 in it and that's another story... >>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, > N/A [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > that's great. Call it something else. I really don't care what it's > called. I have no issue with Ford using the Mustang chassis for other vehicles. Just don't leech off the Mustang for styling cues and name recognition. >> Do you like the idea of a four door Camaro, Corvette, > > I haven't seen a contemporary 2-door Camaro yet, so I'll reserve > judgement on that. The CTS-V is a 4-door Corvette, whether you like it > or not. :) But it also isn't marketed as a Corvette variant. >> Miata, Porsche, etc.? I can't believe you would. Would you? <waiting >> nervously for an answer> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > As for the Miata, well, that's a weenie car with RWD. Stuff a 350hp V8 > in it and that's another story... Did I get an answer? ;) >>>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, >> N/A [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Just don't leech off the Mustang for styling cues and name > recognition. Why not? Leeching off the Mustang would probably be better for overall sales. That said, the Mustang GT is the Mustang GT regardless of what other variants might exist. It won't change simply because a variant might exist. >>> Do you like the idea of a four door Camaro, Corvette, >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > But it also isn't marketed as a Corvette variant. Because it's not a Chevy. But underneath it's a helluva lot of Corvette. >>> Miata, Porsche, etc.? I can't believe you would. Would you? >>> <waiting nervously for an answer> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Did I get an answer? ;) I'm for performance vehicles, regardless of how many doors they have or what style they are. So, in answer to your question, if a Mustang or Camaro (or anything else) with 4 doors were made that performed on par with their 2-door counterparts, then yes I am for it. The more performance available for consumers, the better. :) >>>>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, >>> N/A [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > other variants might exist. It won't change simply because a variant > might exist. IMO, and by definition, a Mustang is not a four door sedan and/or wagon. Proposing a Mustang sedan is just as wrong as proposing a Corvette sedan. The whole idea is as repulsive as me having to French kiss a 90 year old man. >>>> Do you like the idea of a four door Camaro, Corvette, >>> I haven't seen a contemporary 2-door Camaro yet, so I'll reserve [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Because it's not a Chevy. But underneath it's a helluva lot of > Corvette. .... and I am just fine with that. >>>> Miata, Porsche, etc.? I can't believe you would. Would you? >>>> <waiting nervously for an answer> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > with their 2-door counterparts, then yes I am for it. The more > performance available for consumers, the better. :) Well to quote Jim Croce, "You don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't spit into the wind, you don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger and you don't mess around with Jim OR OFFER A FOUR DOOR MUSTANG WAGON!!!" I believe that would be his position if he were here posting in this thread. ;) Michael Johnson <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:U5Cdnc8Wgp6- 8oLanZ2dnUVZ_rqlnZ2d@giganews.com: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, >>>> N/A [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > believe that would be his position if he were here posting in this > thread. ;) To quote Joe Pesci, "I think I get the point." ;) > I haven't seen a contemporary 2-door Camaro yet, so I'll reserve > judgement on that. The CTS-V is a 4-door Corvette, whether you like it > or not. :) Rent the Transformers DVD. It's in there. SignatureJohn - ThunderSnake #59 '69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V Wide Ratio Toploader 3.50 Traction-Lok Acapulco Blue >> I haven't seen a contemporary 2-door Camaro yet, so I'll reserve >> judgement on that. The CTS-V is a 4-door Corvette, whether you like it >> or not. :) > > Rent the Transformers DVD. It's in there. I've seen virtual ones and pictures, but not a real one (except a concept at a car show). >>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, > N/A [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > judgement on that. The CTS-V is a 4-door Corvette, whether you like it > or not. :) BUT IT IS NOT NAMED CORVETTE, that is the whole point... >> Miata, Porsche, etc.? I can't believe you would. Would you? <waiting >> nervously for an answer> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > As for the Miata, well, that's a weenie car with RWD. Stuff a 350hp V8 > in it and that's another story... "My Name Is Nobody" <nobody@msn.com> wrote in news:GHATi.13214$na2.3220 @trndny08: >>>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, >> N/A [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > BUT IT IS NOT NAMED CORVETTE, that is the whole point... Nonsense. I personally don't care what it's called. If it's a performance vehicle, it's good. Simple concept to understand. > NoOptio...@aol.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > (Love to have a Mustang mini-wagon/some thing like the old BMW M- > > coupe.) > I'm all for Ford putting out a performance wagon. Just don't bastardize > the Mustang to do it. It would only take away from the Mustang's > heritage, IMO. So, simply stretch out a Mustang platform and body, change out the grill/some trim, slap on a Falcon name and it's golden? Patrick >> NoOptio...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32 [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > So, simply stretch out a Mustang platform and body, change out the > grill/some trim, slap on a Falcon name and it's golden? The Mustang platform has not always been exclusive and it wouldn't bother me if they used it as the basis for a wagon. Just don't make it look like a stretched Mustang with two extra doors. The Mustang is a pony car and it should stay that way, IMO. >>> NoOptio...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > it look like a stretched Mustang with two extra doors. The Mustang is > a pony car and it should stay that way, IMO. Now that you mention it, the whole Fox line back in the '80s had your 4- door and wagon Mustangs. They were called LTDs and Fairmonts. What's in a name? >>>> NoOptio...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > door and wagon Mustangs. They were called LTDs and Fairmonts. What's > in a name? When it comes to the Mustang, everything. What would you rather have sitting in your driveway? A Granada, LTD, Fairmont or a Mustang? >>>>> NoOptio...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > When it comes to the Mustang, everything. What would you rather have > sitting in your driveway? A Granada, LTD, Fairmont or a Mustang? A Mustang, which I have. I'd like a Mustang station wagon and I'd sell my beater, otherwise I'll have to buy a SuperCrew and keep the beater. Come on Ford, a little help here! SignatureJohn - ThunderSnake #59 '69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V Wide Ratio Toploader 3.50 Traction-Lok Acapulco Blue >>>>>> NoOptio...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > sell my beater, otherwise I'll have to buy a SuperCrew and keep the > beater. Come on Ford, a little help here! If the LTD or Fairmont had the same engine and drivetrain as the Mustang, I'd actually rather have the LTD/Fairmont. Much more versatile and functional in the real world than a Mustang with just about the same level of performance. That's part of the whole concept of the hatchback, btw. I wonder how many people who object to a Mustang wagon object to the Mustang hatchback. A show of hands? > > Now that you mention it, the whole Fox line back in the '80s had your 4- > > door and wagon Mustangs. They were called LTDs and Fairmonts. What's > > in a name? > When it comes to the Mustang, everything. What would you rather have > sitting in your driveway? A Granada, LTD, Fairmont or a Mustang? Ummmm....ummmm....ahhh.... ummmm... depends how each of them are set- up. Top choice: Any of the first three with a tightened up chassis, some factory Mustang alloy wheels, a 5 or 6 speed trans, and a rompin' V8 under the hood. I love sleepers! Patrick >>> Now that you mention it, the whole Fox line back in the '80s had your 4- >>> door and wagon Mustangs. They were called LTDs and Fairmonts. What's [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > some factory Mustang alloy wheels, a 5 or 6 speed trans, and a rompin' > V8 under the hood. If I had to keep the car as it comes from Ford the Mustang wins hands down. The mentality of most car buyers doesn't include after market tweaks of that magnitude. > I love sleepers! You're preaching to the choir here. Here's my car if you saw it on the street: http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/LX.jpg Here is an under hood shot: http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/engine3a.jpg I have shocked more Camaro and Firebird owners over the years than I can remember. I would let them stay even with me the first two gears and then in third pull away from them like they were standing still. Then at about 70-80 mph back off and let them pass me. The looks I would get from the drivers were priceless. >>>> Now that you mention it, the whole Fox line back in the '80s had >>>> your 4- door and wagon Mustangs. They were called LTDs and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > down. The mentality of most car buyers doesn't include after market > tweaks of that magnitude. Michael, you are always talking about how potent the mod motors are with only a few tweaks, especially how easy it is to simply change the pulley on the blown motors for an extra whatever horsepower. Why not apply those thoughts here? >> I love sleepers! > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Then at about 70-80 mph back off and let them pass me. The looks I > would get from the drivers were priceless. As awesome as your car is, I don't know that I'd call it a sleeper. It's obviously a 5.0, and with the newer wheels, it's all that hard to tell that someone's gotten in there and "done stuff". ;) >>>>> Now that you mention it, the whole Fox line back in the '80s had >>>>> your 4- door and wagon Mustangs. They were called LTDs and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > on the blown motors for an extra whatever horsepower. Why not apply > those thoughts here? I think we here in this group feel we are more he norm than we really are. Most people don't seriously modify a car and stick to cosmetic changes more than meaningful one from a standpoint of performance. While you can give a Granada the same performance as a Mustang, or better, why do it when you can have a Mustang for less investment. >>> I love sleepers! >> You're preaching to the choir here. Here's my car if you saw it on [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > It's obviously a 5.0, and with the newer wheels, it's all that hard to > tell that someone's gotten in there and "done stuff". ;) Wheels get changed all the time. Most people don't even realize I had to swap out the front spindles and brakes to put on the 2000 GT rims. Ride height is stock, the hood is stock, tail pipes look stock. If anything gives it away it would be the cam and very slight blower whine. Cruising down the road though it comes off as stock with newer rims. > >>> Now that you mention it, the whole Fox line back in the '80s had your 4- > >>> door and wagon Mustangs. They were called LTDs and Fairmonts. What's > >>> in a name? > >> When it comes to the Mustang, everything. What would you rather have > >> sitting in your driveway? A Granada, LTD, Fairmont or a Mustang? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > some factory Mustang alloy wheels, a 5 or 6 speed trans, and a rompin' > > V8 under the hood. > If I had to keep the car as it comes from Ford the Mustang wins hands > down. The mentality of most car buyers doesn't include after market > tweaks of that magnitude. But we are talking about and comparing 20+ year old cars (Grenada, LTD, Fairmont). > > I love sleepers! > You're preaching to the choir here. Here's my car if you saw it on the > street: > http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/LX.jpg > Here is an under hood shot: > http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/engine3a.jpg Very, very nice!! Tell me about the motor again. What did/does this car run in the quarter? > I have shocked more Camaro and Firebird owners over the years than I can > remember. I would let them stay even with me the first two gears and > then in third pull away from them like they were standing still. Then > at about 70-80 mph back off and let them pass me. The looks I would get > from the drivers were priceless. This is the last year for both of my kids' college, so maybe next year I'll enrich the venom in my Cobra. Patrick >>>>> Now that you mention it, the whole Fox line back in the '80s had your 4- >>>>> door and wagon Mustangs. They were called LTDs and Fairmonts. What's [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Very, very nice!! Tell me about the motor again. What did/does this > car run in the quarter? Thanks. Here is a list of the mods I can remember off the top of my head: Kenne Bell Blowzilla w/ Flowzilla manifolds (run at 16 psi or 12 psi) Cobra lower intake and GT40 heads that have been ported to hell and back Bone stock and original short block Water and/or alcohol injection system for charge air cooling Aeromotive 1000 lph fuel pump Large diameter fuel lines from the tank to the fuel rails Aeromotive high flow fuel rails 42# fuel injectors High capacity radiator 75mm TB/EGR with 75mm CLR aluminum intake pipe. Custom pulleys to allow use of a larger blower pulley (less belt slip) T-56 Viper spec 6-speed transmission Custom aluminum drive shaft Subframe connectors SPEC Stage III racing clutch (painful in stop & go traffic) Rebuilt T-Loc differential with extra clutch packs inserted SN95 front brakes and spindles Dynomax Ultraflow catback exhaust (2.5") MAC off road H-pipe (2.5") FMS ceramic coated shorty headers Steeda Triax shifter Battery relocated to the trunk (needed space for water injection system) 2000 GT 17" rims and tires I think that is about it. I would love to give you some track times but it has never been there. I have a G-Tech but couldn't find a stretch of road around here to run the car wide open to get an accurate time. Plus, it is really too fast to push it that hard on the street anyway. I do have some respectable 0-60 mph runs with the G-Tech at 4.5 seconds on street tires. I have no doubt a good set of slicks would push that number to well under four seconds. The last dyno run I did put out 400 rwhp at 5,000 rpm and we cut it off there because of valve float (before the head work was done). It made 460 ft-lbs of torque at 2,500 rpm on that pull. With the porting and new valve springs I expect the horsepower is around 430-440 rwhp and the torque has dropped a little. What that is worth in 1/4 mile times is anybodies guess. >> I have shocked more Camaro and Firebird owners over the years than I can >> remember. I would let them stay even with me the first two gears and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > This is the last year for both of my kids' college, so maybe next year > I'll enrich the venom in my Cobra. It might be cheaper for you if your kids stay in college. ;) >>>> NoOptio...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > door and wagon Mustangs. They were called LTDs and Fairmonts. What's > in a name? Everything, DOH! "My Name Is Nobody" <nobody@msn.com> wrote in news:WKATi.3777$hG2.3224 @trndny05: >>>>> NoOptio...@aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Everything, DOH! That's pretty shallow. DOH! > "My Name Is Nobody" <nobody@msn.com> wrote in news:WKATi.3777$hG2.3224 > @trndny05: [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > That's pretty shallow. DOH! At least shallow implies some depth, your position on this is absolutely dense. You have lost the "I'm for fuckin up the Mustang" debate on every front, and replying with "I like performance" every time your circular logic get spanked is simply childish. DOH! >> "My Name Is Nobody" <nobody@msn.com> wrote in >> news:WKATi.3777$hG2.3224 @trndny05: [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > debate on every front, and replying with "I like performance" every > time your circular logic get spanked is simply childish. DOH! The fact that you can't handle anyone who disagrees with you speaks volumes. DOH! So how often do _you_ change your oil? >>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A >>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > practices and games, and the odd weekend project, I think it would > do quite well. The Pinto wagon of the 70s was a popular and useful vehicle. seems to me if the Mustang wagon were maybe five percent larger and devoted some attention to interior space utilization, it would be a success. Cue Joe and his "Definition of Success" rant. For my part, I still prefer the two-door wagons. http://home.san.rr.com/fsheff/pictures/VegWgS.jpg SignatureFrank ess >>>>>> IMO, because Ford couldn't charge the outrageous prices for an option >>>>>> package like they can for cars like the GT500. They are making [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell like crazy! Yeah, to everyone who bought pinto station wagons, no doubt... Just the thought of it is repulsive... I'll throw my vote in for a Tbird. I had one back in '95 and kick myself still today for selling it. > >> IMO, because Ford couldn't charge the outrageous prices for an option > >> package like they can for cars like the GT500. They are making insane [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > door coupe and sell it as the Thunderbird too. Maybe even make an > upscale version of the Mustang and market as the new Cougar. We had a '94 T-Bird with the 4.6L V-8 and it was a great car. It got decent mileage, handled well and was all around a nice car. Then our son plowed it into the concrete base of a light pole at 30 mph. IMO, Ford should have never let it die and definitely shouldn't have replaced it with a two seater. Just another screw up by the Ford marketing department. > I'll throw my vote in for a Tbird. I had one back in '95 and kick myself > still today for selling it. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> door coupe and sell it as the Thunderbird too. Maybe even make an >> upscale version of the Mustang and market as the new Cougar. > We had a '94 T-Bird with the 4.6L V-8 and it was a great car. It got > decent mileage, handled well and was all around a nice car. Then our > son plowed it into the concrete base of a light pole at 30 mph. IMO, > Ford should have never let it die and definitely shouldn't have replaced > it with a two seater. Just another screw up by the Ford marketing > department. I think the '87-'89 T-bird were much better than their 90's versions. I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea but just had poor execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be sporty and Ford's last generation T-bird, at nearly 4,000 scale-busting pounds, didn't have a chance. But if they could have gotten that Thunder [thighs] Bird down to around 3,200, given it a slightly more aggressive stance/look, installed some real thunder under the hood and given it a competitive price, I think Ford would have found a nice sales niche. Patrick >> We had a '94 T-Bird with the 4.6L V-8 and it was a great car. It got >> decent mileage, handled well and was all around a nice car. Then our [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I think the '87-'89 T-bird were much better than their 90's > versions. I can't say because I didn't drive the lat 1980s version. > I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea but just had poor > execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be sporty and Ford's last [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > installed some real thunder under the hood and given it a competitive > price, I think Ford would have found a nice sales niche. The reason I think it was a bad idea is they greatly narrowed the car's target market. Ford took the original car from a two seater to a four seater with great success. Had they not done that it would likely have been discontinued. Why they thought going back to two seats would mean more sales is beyond me. IMO, the only thing wrong with the last generation four seat T-Bird was its weight. Had they trimmed 300-400 pounds out of the car it would have been a terrific performer. As I said earlier, that car had RWD, IRS, a solid performing V-8, good styling, nice interior, relatively good performance etc. Ford needs a car with those traits in the worst way. > > I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea but just had poor > > execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be sporty and Ford's last [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > been discontinued. Why they thought going back to two seats would mean > more sales is beyond me. So Ford should forever concede the American 2-seat market to the Corvette? <Cough>Viper<cough> > IMO, the only thing wrong with the last generation four seat T-Bird was > its weight. Had they trimmed 300-400 pounds out of the car it would > have been a terrific performer. As I said earlier, that car had RWD, > IRS, a solid performing V-8, good styling, nice interior, relatively > good performance etc. Ford needs a car with those traits in the worst way. I agree. And I would like to think so. The problem is they ALWAYS load these "personal coupes" down with tons of options and BS and they ALWAYS become bloated behemoths. Then any chance of them to be sporting is lost. Why they can't take a lightweight platform, add a trimmed-down stylish body, keep the interior mostly manually operated but very functional, give the steering nice feel, bolt on a set of killer brakes, and fit a potent motor between the frame rails is beyond me. Patrick >> > I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea but just had poor >> > execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be sporty and Ford's last [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > So Ford should forever concede the American 2-seat market to the > Corvette? That is an entirely different topic and market than the Thunderbird ever was... Besides the latest 2 seat T-bird was not in the same room let alone group as the Corvette and Viper. <Cough>Ford GT<cough> > <Cough>Viper<cough> > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Patrick >>>> I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea but just had poor >>>> execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be sporty and Ford's last [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Besides the latest 2 seat T-bird was not in the same room let alone group as > the Corvette and Viper. By comparison, it was a pansy a.s. I would rather have a Miata than that T-Bird. > <Cough>Ford GT<cough> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >> Patrick >>>>> I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea but just had >>>>> poor execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be sporty and Ford's [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > By comparison, it was a pansy a.s. I would rather have a Miata than > that T-Bird. <rowlf> Wow. >> <Cough>Ford GT<cough> >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>> >>> Patrick >>>>>> I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea but just had >>>>>> poor execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be sporty and Ford's [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Wow. Well, I would. I can install a 302 into a Miata or get a Kenne Bell twin screw blower and turn it into a Viper killer. Plus, it is light as a feather and handles like it is on rails. I always looked at the last T-Bird as a chick car and it had hardly any testosterone in it. >>> <Cough>Ford GT<cough> >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>>> >>>> Patrick >>>>>>> I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea but just had >>>>>>> poor execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be sporty and Ford's [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > a feather and handles like it is on rails. I always looked at the last > T-Bird as a chick car and it had hardly any testosterone in it. For the purposes of this discussion, let's not talk about 5.0 Miatas, as they are rather cool because they're not really Miatas. That said, _any_ T-Bird has tons more testosterone than a friggin' Miata. Even the name is wussie. "Miata". What does that conjure up in your mind? <rowlf> >>>>>>>> I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea but just had >>>>>>>> poor execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be sporty and Ford's [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > <rowlf> My nephew has a Miata and I've driven his quite a bit. The car grows on you. It reminds me of my old Triumph Spitfire except it is a much better vehicle. They are very fun to drive. Many men have the same feeling about Miatas as you do. My son does. If you can get past that you will find a very capable two seater. >>>>>>>>> I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea but just >>>>>>>>> had poor execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be sporty and [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > feeling about Miatas as you do. My son does. If you can get past > that you will find a very capable two seater. Perhaps I'll get past that when you can get past the whole name thing. I guess the issues are similar... >>>>>>>>>> I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea but just >>>>>>>>>> had poor execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be sporty and [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Perhaps I'll get past that when you can get past the whole name thing. > I guess the issues are similar... I don't see the similarities. Putting four doors on a Mustang is a huge change in the image of that car. The Mustang has nearly as much history as the Corvette and that means something to the car's purpose and reason for existing. It the Mustang was circling the drain because of low sales volumes then I could understand Ford doing something radical like making a wagon variant. Since this isn't the case, I see no need for Ford to make such a risky move and possibly jeopardize the car's excellent heritage. Trying to make one car fill a variety of roles rarely works and just serves to dilute that car's identity and, in the case of the Mustang, its reputation as a pony car. Michael Johnson <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:z4qdneu- L9b7QoLanZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@giganews.com: >>>>>>>>>>> I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea but just >>>>>>>>>>> had poor execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be sporty and [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > change in the image of that car. The Mustang has nearly as much history > as the Corvette ?? Corvette has over 11 years on the Mustang... > and that means something to the car's purpose and reason > for existing. It the Mustang was circling the drain because of low [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > rarely works and just serves to dilute that car's identity and, in the > case of the Mustang, its reputation as a pony car. OK then. Shall we agree to disagree on this one? > Michael Johnson <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:z4qdneu- > L9b7QoLanZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@giganews.com: [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > Corvette has over 11 years on the Mustang... It's kind of like a brother that is ten years older than you. When you're 5 years old the age difference seems huge. When you're sixty years old it isn't that great, relatively speaking. Both the Corvette and the Mustang have a relatively long continuous history and the longer they stick around the less meaningful that 11 years becomes. >> and that means something to the car's purpose and reason >> for existing. It the Mustang was circling the drain because of low [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > OK then. Shall we agree to disagree on this one? I think so. Has the horse turned into hamburger yet? >> Michael Johnson <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:z4qdneu- >> L9b7QoLanZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@giganews.com: [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > > I think so. Has the horse turned into hamburger yet? I dunno, but I had a steak cooked on the grill for dinner tonight. >>> Michael Johnson <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:z4qdneu- >>> L9b7QoLanZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@giganews.com: [quoted text clipped - 105 lines] > > I dunno, but I had a steak cooked on the grill for dinner tonight. Too bad you're not my neighbor. I had a frozen dinner. >>>> Michael Johnson <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:z4qdneu- >>>> L9b7QoLanZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@giganews.com: [quoted text clipped - 107 lines] > > Too bad you're not my neighbor. I had a frozen dinner. Hey, if you're in the neighborhood, you've got a standing invitation. I use salt-free seasoning from Omaha Steaks on most stuff I grill. Simply awesome. >>>>> Michael Johnson <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:z4qdneu- >>>>> L9b7QoLanZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@giganews.com: [quoted text clipped - 127 lines] > use salt-free seasoning from Omaha Steaks on most stuff I grill. Simply > awesome. I haven't been to Florida since my father passed away in 1990. He had a house in Ruskin just Southeast of Tampa Bay. He had a home made air boat and a regular boat that we used for some great excursions. We would get oysters, clams, scallops, island hop and camp on the Key Islands, fish in remote areas, make all day jaunts into the upper Everglades among other things. Going there now to stay in a hotel and sit on the beach just doesn't do it for me now. IMO, the majority of people that visit Florida miss out on doing the best stuff the state offers. Forget Disney World, there are much better attractions from Mother Nature. |
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