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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / November 2007Is This Ford's New 7-Liter 427?
http://www.fordracingparts.com:80/crateengine/bigblock.asp > http://www.fordracingparts.com:80/crateengine/bigblock.asp Thanks. Thanks a heap. That little 302 I was looking at a few years ago (TFrog's future) has gone up a whopping $1,500 since. Now I'm going to have to rethink the whole thing. After all, TFrog's only got 208,000 on the original motor, and I have to wonder whether the extra scratch is worth taking it from its rated 205hp up to 340hp. Yeah. Yeah, it probably is. No doubt, Ford is pulling its "big block surprise" out of its truck line. We shall see. dwight www.tfrog.com >> http://www.fordracingparts.com:80/crateengine/bigblock.asp > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > No doubt, Ford is pulling its "big block surprise" out of its truck > line. We shall see. There is nothing in the truck line to pull out. Ford trucks don't have a true big block engine (4.2L OHV V-6, 4.6L OHC V-8, 5.4L OHC V-8, 6.8L OHC V-10), so I can't see where they pull a surprise from. Ed >>> http://www.fordracingparts.com:80/crateengine/bigblock.asp >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Ed The 7-liter is also rumored to have pushrods: http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mmfp_0711_ford_mustang_roush_etha nol_fuel/don_bowles.html Joe <lunch@noon.net> wrote in news:Xns99E28E9A15C24nospamforme@ 216.77.188.18: > http://www.fordracingparts.com:80/crateengine/bigblock.asp Looking at that site, where are the other big block crate motors? I thought Ford offered several based on the 385 block (429-460) but I saw none.  SignatureA: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? > Joe <lunch@noon.net> wrote in news:Xns99E28E9A15C24nospamforme@ > 216.77.188.18: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > thought Ford offered several based on the 385 block (429-460) but I > saw none. No clue, but maybe they're either (a) redoing the page to include the old and the new, or (b) not selling the old bb's anymore. > > Joe <lu...@noon.net> wrote in news:Xns99E28E9A15C24nospamforme@ > > 216.77.188.18: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > No clue, but maybe they're either (a) redoing the page to include the > old and the new, or (b) not selling the old bb's anymore. If you click on the link for a 2008 catalog -- and wait for 25 MB pdf to download -- you'll see there is no mention of any 385 series crate engines. That sucks. I guess they just didn't sell. On the other hand, the part number mentioned in the linked page -- M-6007-S520RT -- suggests 520 cubic inches, if it follows the other crate engine part numbers. By current standards that's almost puny. At least when you can get a 598 ci 755 hp Rat for $10,750 or a 632 ci 875 hp for $16,500. http://www.ultrastreet.net/ 180 Out 180 Out > On the other hand, the part number mentioned in the linked page -- > M-6007-S520RT -- suggests 520 cubic inches, if it follows the other [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > 180 Out ...but would it fit in a Fox body Mustang without a modified hood? Or chassis... Or engine bay... :() >> On the other hand, the part number mentioned in the linked page -- >> M-6007-S520RT -- suggests 520 cubic inches, if it follows the other [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >:() Here's our best bet: http://www.fordracingparts.com/crateengine/302smallblock.asp The Boss will fit. And you can stuff these in as well: http://www.fordracingparts.com/crateengine/fiveeightliter.asp >>> On the other hand, the part number mentioned in the linked page -- >>> M-6007-S520RT -- suggests 520 cubic inches, if it follows the other [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > The Boss will fit. And you can stuff these in as well: > http://www.fordracingparts.com/crateengine/fiveeightliter.asp Those crate motors are rather pricey. >>>> On the other hand, the part number mentioned in the linked page -- >>>> M-6007-S520RT -- suggests 520 cubic inches, if it follows the other [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Those crate motors are rather pricey. a) We can thank our friends at Ford for upping the price. b) What isn't these days? And people think we're _not_ heading for a recession? ;) >>>>> On the other hand, the part number mentioned in the linked page -- >>>>> M-6007-S520RT -- suggests 520 cubic inches, if it follows the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > a) We can thank our friends at Ford for upping the price. A 351W stroked to 392 ci is a budget stroker motor. You can use a number of stock 302 components to build it. At those prices I would opt for a custom build or go to one of the many engine builders. > b) What isn't these days? And people think we're _not_ heading for a > recession? ;) I'm in land development. We're in a depression as I type this. >>>>>> On the other hand, the part number mentioned in the linked page -- >>>>>> M-6007-S520RT -- suggests 520 cubic inches, if it follows the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > number of stock 302 components to build it. At those prices I would opt > for a custom build or go to one of the many engine builders. Good point. I guess the only good thing about the OEM motors is the warranty.. >> b) What isn't these days? And people think we're _not_ heading for a >> recession? ;) > > I'm in land development. We're in a depression as I type this. You, sir, would know. > > I'm in land development. We're in a depression as I type this. > > You, sir, would know. Perhaps you guys need to invest in cropland. I live in grain country and land is still rising. >>>I'm in land development. We're in a depression as I type this. >> >>You, sir, would know. > > Perhaps you guys need to invest in cropland. I live in grain country > and land is still rising. It will likely continue to rise as long as the gov't continues to subsidize ethanol from corn and biodiesel from soy beans. When reality sets in, and those fads fade, cropland will slide back down in price. SignatureCheers, Bob >>> I'm in land development. We're in a depression as I type this. >> You, sir, would know. > > Perhaps you guys need to invest in cropland. I live in grain country > and land is still rising. I grew up in the Midwest and you know how many farmers went under in the late 70s and early 80s due to inflated farm land dropping in value like a stone? It decimated many farms and farmers. The banks just led them down the primrose path like they have many homeowners this time around. My advice is to stop buying almost ANY land that has substantially risen in value the past 5-10 years. The hay days (pun intended) is likely coming to an end. >>> On the other hand, the part number mentioned in the linked page -- >>> M-6007-S520RT -- suggests 520 cubic inches, if it follows the other [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > The Boss will fit. And you can stuff these in as well: > http://www.fordracingparts.com/crateengine/fiveeightliter.asp Yep, I know. The "XEFM" predicts 340HP. Seems to me that I was looking (a couple of years ago?) at a 302 that was rated at 320horses - probably a milder cam. At the time, it was $3299. Of course, I'm getting much older much faster, so it could have been more than a couple of years. Sure doesn't seem like it, though. dwight >>>> On the other hand, the part number mentioned in the linked page -- >>>> M-6007-S520RT -- suggests 520 cubic inches, if it follows the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > dwight At this point, I figure it is what it is. No amount of bitching or whining is going to change it. When/if I'm ready, I'll bite the bullet (no pun intended) and get one of those 302s and maybe a Lentech to match up to it. Along with thousands of dollars for other "trivial" stuff... >>>> On the other hand, the part number mentioned in the linked page -- >>>> M-6007-S520RT -- suggests 520 cubic inches, if it follows the other [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > dwight Being as you have two, why don't you consider having the original built? SignatureSnakes are the nearly perfect pet, because if they die you can use them for weather stripping! - Watcher "I get the impression that Jamie is a papusa or two short of a combination plate." - Kent Wills "A lot of Southeast Oregon appears to be low resolution even when you are physically driving through it! - Uncle Bob >> Yep, I know. The "XEFM" predicts 340HP. Seems to me that I was looking (a >> couple of years ago?) at a 302 that was rated at 320horses - probably a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Being as you have two, why don't you consider having the original built? It's an option, but being an American consumer I like the notion of "new". Besides, with 200,000+ on the original engine, with oil changes done religiously every 50,000 miles, I'd prefer to start fresh for the next 200,000. Of course, there's always the chance that I'll drop $20,000 on this car and then find out that gasoline is history. duh-wight www.tfrog.com >> > Joe <lu...@noon.net> wrote in news:Xns99E28E9A15C24nospamforme@ >> > 216.77.188.18: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > 180 Out Ford was selling a 600 inch 385 series engine. Did they drop the Aluminum block and C460 heads? Al >> > Joe <lu...@noon.net> wrote in news:Xns99E28E9A15C24nospamforme@ >> > 216.77.188.18: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > 180 Out Ford was selling a 600 inch 385 series engine. Did they drop the Aluminum block and C460 heads? Al > <one80...@hotmail.com> wrote <snip> > > If you click on the link for a 2008 catalog -- and wait for 25 MB pdf > > to download -- you'll see there is no mention of any 385 series crate [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Al All I know is the FRPP web site lists no 385 engines, except the mention of a M-6007-S520RT, which is probably a 520 ci 385. And FRPP's 2008 catalog, as reproduced in a PDF version available on the FRPP website, mentions no 385 engines at all. The catalog is short on crate engines all the way around. My guess is that mom and pop shops have undercut Ford to the extent they're giving up on the crate engine business. Typical Detroit thinking, to walk away from a market segment. There's also the pronounced greenish tint of the Bill Ford. He is not a friend of high performance. It's too bad. Ever since Chevy came out with those self-contained Ram Jet EFI Rats and SBCs, I had been hoping that Ford would do the same. I went to a big multi-make car show in Pleasanton CA on Saturday, put on by The Good Guys (Pleasanton is their home field), and it was pretty depressing how much Chevy has come to dominate this part of the hobby. I'd say about 75% of the cars were Chevy powered, including of course all the '32 and '34 Ford street rods. Fords were about 15 to 20% and Mopars were about 5 to 10%. 180 Out one80out@hotmail.com wrote in news:1194899713.731785.136240 @q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com: > I went to a big multi-make car show in Pleasanton CA on Saturday, put > on by The Good Guys (Pleasanton is their home field), and it was > pretty depressing how much Chevy has come to dominate this part of the > hobby. I'd say about 75% of the cars were Chevy powered, including of > course all the '32 and '34 Ford street rods. Fords were about 15 to > 20% and Mopars were about 5 to 10%. I've always contended that a car should get more points for factory power, and even more for original power. That would put a kink in the Chevy lovers. When at a car show, I always make it a point to snub any car not a Chevy that has Chevy power. I've had a few owners ask me why, and my reply was "put the right engine in it, and I'll look." SignatureA: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? > one80out@hotmail.com wrote in news:1194899713.731785.136240 > @q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Chevy that has Chevy power. I've had a few owners ask me why, and my reply > was "put the right engine in it, and I'll look." When I see a Ford Rod w/Chevy gear I think, there's another Chevy guy, wanting to look cool. :) SignatureTropic Green Y2K Mustang GT W/bits & pieces http://tinyurl.com/2qbklu On Nov 12, 2:35 pm, one80...@hotmail.com wrote: > There's also the pronounced greenish tint of the Bill Ford. > He is not a friend of high performance. But wasn't he the guy who ultimately approved production of the Ford GTs, Terminator Cobras and the GT500s? Patrick |
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