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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / December 2007

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Rich - 05 Dec 2007 17:31 GMT
Way to kill off a car "genre."  The crazed nazi envirofaggots wanting
us riding bicycles in sub-freezing winter weather, or riding in the
disease-ridden public transport system.
dwight - 05 Dec 2007 18:35 GMT
> Way to kill off a car "genre."  The crazed nazi envirofaggots wanting
> us riding bicycles in sub-freezing winter weather, or riding in the
> disease-ridden public transport system.

HAH!

Are those really your only two alternatives? I'd go hybrid, if I had to, so
long as the heater puts out the same temperatures I get from my 5.0.

dwight
WindsorFox-{SS}- - 06 Dec 2007 03:03 GMT
>> Way to kill off a car "genre."  The crazed nazi envirofaggots wanting
>> us riding bicycles in sub-freezing winter weather, or riding in the
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>
> dwight

   Your 5.0 has a heater???

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dwight - 06 Dec 2007 03:42 GMT
>>> Way to kill off a car "genre."  The crazed nazi envirofaggots wanting
>>> us riding bicycles in sub-freezing winter weather, or riding in the
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>
>    Your 5.0 has a heater???

I've got the burn marks on my shins to prove it.

dwight
NoOption5L@aol.com - 06 Dec 2007 01:54 GMT
> Way to kill off a car "genre."  The crazed nazi envirofaggots wanting
> us riding bicycles in sub-freezing winter weather, or riding in the
> disease-ridden public transport system.

Look at the bright side.  Maybe they'll push manufacturers to build
vehicles like the Atom.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WaWoo82zNUA

If they start building cars like it, I won't miss the Challenger...
okay, maybe I will when I blow past one.  ;-)

High-performance always finds a way.

Patrick
Joe - 06 Dec 2007 02:09 GMT
NoOption5L@aol.com wrote in news:e12f5bff-469e-48ba-a1c2-
8b7cadccf83d@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com:

>> Way to kill off a car "genre."  The crazed nazi envirofaggots wanting
>> us riding bicycles in sub-freezing winter weather, or riding in the
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>
> Patrick

Indeed.  Check this out: http://www.teslamotors.com/  Be sure to check
out the 'Performance' page.

0-60 in under 4 seconds, "100% Torque, 100% of the Time".
one80out@hotmail.com - 06 Dec 2007 23:21 GMT
> NoOptio...@aol.com wrote in news:e12f5bff-469e-48ba-a1c2-
> 8b7cadccf...@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com:
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>
> 0-60 in under 4 seconds, "100% Torque, 100% of the Time".

Unless and until a customer car turns a wheel the Tesla Roadster
remains vapor-ware.  Check this Google-produced link, among many
others:  http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/news-blog/tesla-roadster-birth-watch-1-08s-not-
here-all-gone/


Replacing the tried-and-true Toyota gasoline engine in the standard
Lotus Elise with 7000 cel phone batteries and an electric motor sounds
like a great way to screw up a great car.  And what's wrong with the
standard Elise's 26 highway mpg anyway?
Joe - 07 Dec 2007 02:01 GMT
>> NoOptio...@aol.com wrote in news:e12f5bff-469e-48ba-a1c2-
>> 8b7cadccf...@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com:
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> like a great way to screw up a great car.  And what's wrong with the
> standard Elise's 26 highway mpg anyway?

Nothing at all.  But no internal combustion engine can beat an electric
motor's torque curve.

Here's part of the future: http://www.pmlflightlink.com/
corky - 06 Dec 2007 03:53 GMT
> Way to kill off a car "genre."  The crazed nazi envirofaggots wanting
> us riding bicycles in sub-freezing winter weather, or riding in the
> disease-ridden public transport system.

I take it you are in the 24% who love Dubya.
My Name Is Nobody - 06 Dec 2007 06:07 GMT
>> Way to kill off a car "genre."  The crazed nazi envirofaggots wanting
>> us riding bicycles in sub-freezing winter weather, or riding in the
>> disease-ridden public transport system.
>
> I take it you are in the 24% who love Dubya.

I take it you are a socialist who doesn't believe in the constitution.
corky - 06 Dec 2007 15:44 GMT
>>> Way to kill off a car "genre."  The crazed nazi envirofaggots wanting
>>> us riding bicycles in sub-freezing winter weather, or riding in the
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>
> I take it you are a socialist who doesn't believe in the constitution.

Hmmm, the same constitution that Dubya wipes his a.s on?
Michael Johnson - 06 Dec 2007 21:48 GMT
>>>> Way to kill off a car "genre."  The crazed nazi envirofaggots wanting
>>>> us riding bicycles in sub-freezing winter weather, or riding in the
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>
> Hmmm, the same constitution that Dubya wipes his a.s on?

It is the same Constitution they ALL wipe their a.s on.
Rich - 06 Dec 2007 23:06 GMT
> > Way to kill off a car "genre."  The crazed nazi envirofaggots wanting
> > us riding bicycles in sub-freezing winter weather, or riding in the
> > disease-ridden public transport system.
>
> I take it you are in the 24% who love Dubya.

No, I just hate seeing "legislated" car design dictated by a socialist
CON game called global warming.
Don't forget, these same f----- idiots who have know the physics of
atmospheric C02 for 200 years,  30 years ago were predicting global
cooling.
corky - 07 Dec 2007 00:37 GMT
>> > Way to kill off a car "genre."  The crazed nazi envirofaggots wanting
>> > us riding bicycles in sub-freezing winter weather, or riding in the
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> No, I just hate seeing "legislated" car design dictated by a socialist
> CON game called global warming.

Ahh, so the science community is a CON game. Hmmm are these the same people
who design the technology in the first place? Do you think the Apollo
missions were a fraud, too?

> Don't forget, these same f----- idiots who have know the physics of
> atmospheric C02 for 200 years,  30 years ago were predicting global
> cooling.

30 years is an eternity in the realm of science. Things change, you know ...
that is the basis of science - learning. Do I refuse medical treatement
because these f----- idiot doctors used to bleed patients with leeches? Tell
me, genius, are you one of the idiots who hate science and think the Earth
is 6,000 years old? Do you think Jesus put all that fossile fuel in the
desert 6,000 years ago?
Les Benn - 07 Dec 2007 00:47 GMT
>>> > Way to kill off a car "genre."  The crazed nazi envirofaggots wanting
>>> > us riding bicycles in sub-freezing winter weather, or riding in the
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> think the Earth is 6,000 years old? Do you think Jesus put all that
> fossile fuel in the desert 6,000 years ago?
Global warming is true Mars and Jupiter both are warming up. I wish all of
you guys would quit driving you SUVs on those two planets. For christ's sake
have you no consideration of the Martians at all? And BTW we could switch
over to electric jets as the first step to reducing oil consumption on
earth. then electric trains would naturally follow. Of course we might be
required to get rid of all coal and fuel fired electric plants first.
RM v2.0 - 07 Dec 2007 14:49 GMT
> Ahh, so the science community is a CON game. Hmmm are these the same
> people who design the technology in the first place? Do you think the
> Apollo missions were a fraud, too?

No, I believe we went to the moon but I also believe they are holding back
info and some of the pics were contrived.

>> Don't forget, these same f----- idiots who have know the physics of
>> atmospheric C02 for 200 years,  30 years ago were predicting global
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> think the Earth is 6,000 years old? Do you think Jesus put all that
> fossile fuel in the desert 6,000 years ago?

So what makes you think they are right this time? In 30 years we might be
looking back going "What were we thinking?" and predicting global cooling
again. I realize knowledge is gained and we are supposed to be more correct
each time but science has gotten away from its roots of learning and gone
way too political. Have to have the right answers/opinions to get grants,
funding, etc.
corky - 07 Dec 2007 16:26 GMT
>> Ahh, so the science community is a CON game. Hmmm are these the same
>> people who design the technology in the first place? Do you think the
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> and gone way too political. Have to have the right answers/opinions to get
> grants, funding, etc.

Fair enough. The theory is not without detractors. Personally, I'm not
buying any beachfront property.
NoOption5L@aol.com - 07 Dec 2007 23:55 GMT
> So what makes you think they are right this time? In 30 years we might be
> looking back going "What were we thinking?" and predicting global cooling
> again. I realize knowledge is gained and we are supposed to be more correct
> each time but science has gotten away from its roots of learning and gone
> way too political. Have to have the right answers/opinions to get grants,
> funding, etc.

Like stem-cell research.

Patrick
NoOption5L@aol.com - 07 Dec 2007 23:52 GMT
> No, I just hate seeing "legislated" car design dictated by a socialist
> CON game called global warming.
> Don't forget, these same f----- idiots who have know the physics of
> atmospheric C02 for 200 years,  30 years ago were predicting global
> cooling.

30-years ago... No, _those_ "f----- idiots" are either dead or
retired.

Science evolves.  30 years ago, or so, most of us drove behind steel,
thinly padded dashboards, hard skinny steering wheels, we didn't wear
seat our seat belts and then when the tank was running low we filled
up on leaded gas.

Patrick
Michael Johnson - 08 Dec 2007 03:10 GMT
>> No, I just hate seeing "legislated" car design dictated by a socialist
>> CON game called global warming.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> seat our seat belts and then when the tank was running low we filled
> up on leaded gas.

The science of global climate change is in its infancy.  They can't
predict the path of a hurricane but they can tell us the temperature in
100 years?  They are keying on just a few of the multitudes of items
that effect weather on a global scale.  IMO, there are many other things
that effect weather that we know nothing about or even know that they
exist. In reality they have now idea what is causing warming or even if
the current trend is long term or short term.  We are currently in a
cooling trend the last few years so are we in a global cooling trend?
One question I would like to have answered is why Mars is warming right
along with the Earth.  If the Sun, orbital path and/or tilt of the Earth
is the cause we may as well buckle up for the ride because can't stop
it.  Money is the drive behind most of what we hear from both sides.  I
bet you a graph of Al Gore's income is rising faster than any
temperature chart.  He now makes enough to pay a $20k/month electric
bills.  That is mighty green of him to use that much electricity.  Is
there anyone that thinks he isn't in this global warming crusade for the
money first and foremost?

There are some people on the planet that looks forward to global
warming.  Russia will have a huge swath of Siberia become productive and
habitable.  As with any climate change there are winners and losers.
There are whole cities (i.e. Alexandria in Egypt) that are below sea
level now.  Change is the natural course of things.  If you want to see
the human race take a big hit then let an ice age begin.  We will wish
for the good old days of global warming.  Heck, one day all the
continents will be smashed into one.  Shouldn't we be stopping that too?

As I have said before here, mankind is one arrogant mammal.  We think
this world is under our control and influence.  That is far from the
truth.  The Earth has taken hits far bigger than we could ever deliver
and shrugged it off.  The only thing we will succeed in accomplishing is
our own demise.  Every species on this planet will be extinct one day
and something else will replace them.  I don't see where we will buck
the trend forever.  As for global warming, I think our money is better
spent in mitigation than prevention.  Mankind has been mitigating
climate change for all our existence.  Now for some reason we think we
can prevent it.
Joe - 08 Dec 2007 14:39 GMT
>>> No, I just hate seeing "legislated" car design dictated by a socialist
>>> CON game called global warming.
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> climate change for all our existence.  Now for some reason we think we
> can prevent it.

Bingo.  Thanks for a good post, Michael.  You are absolutely right -
it's absurd for mankind to think that we are mightier than nature.  We
are but a speck in the entire picture, and the planet will long outlive
whatever we do.
Michael Johnson - 08 Dec 2007 13:56 GMT
>>>> No, I just hate seeing "legislated" car design dictated by a
> socialist
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
> are but a speck in the entire picture, and the planet will long outlive
> whatever we do.

Man has a habit of putting more importance on himself than he deserves,
IMO.  I find it interesting that an attempt to control the global
climate is screwing with Mother Nature's processes on a scale that is
unattainable and unwise and goes against nearly everything the
environmentalists have been preaching to us the past 100 years (i.e.
don't screw with nature).

The planet has built-in processes to handle fluctuating levels of all
types of gases.  If CO2 gets too high then more plant life flourishes on
land and the oceans to consume it.  If less is available then there is
less plant life.  I'm sure there have been times when volcanic activity
has unleashed CO2 at rates that dwarf what mankind is producing today.
The planet adjusted and survived it.  If it didn't have this capability
then life would not have existed here for over three billion years.
I'll start worrying when the O2 levels drop substantially.
 
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