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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / December 2007

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Big Al - 08 Dec 2007 22:15 GMT
http://jalopnik.com/search/2010%20mustang/
NoOption5L@aol.com - 09 Dec 2007 23:55 GMT
> http://jalopnik.com/search/2010%20mustang/

Doesn't show too much, but still interesting.  I really curious to see
what they do with the powertrain.  I like to see them offer a HiPo 6-
cylinder with model with about 300 or so HP to take on Hyundai's
upcoming rwd pony.

Patrick
Jim Warman - 10 Dec 2007 01:03 GMT
Something like this
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/01/07/033224.html  ?

>> http://jalopnik.com/search/2010%20mustang/
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> Patrick
NoOption5L@aol.com - 10 Dec 2007 01:57 GMT
> Something like thishttp://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/01/07/033224.html ?

Exactly!!

Patrick

> > Doesn't show too much, but still interesting.  I really curious to see
> > what they do with the powertrain.  I like to see them offer a HiPo 6-
> > cylinder with model with about 300 or so HP to take on Hyundai's
> > upcoming rwd pony.
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> > Patrick
dwight - 10 Dec 2007 02:09 GMT
>> Something like
>> thishttp://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/01/07/033224.html ?
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> Exactly!!
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> Patrick

Higher fuel economy, but uses high-octane gas? I hope it's not a wash.

dwight
www.tfrog.com

>> > Doesn't show too much, but still interesting.  I really curious to see
>> > what they do with the powertrain.  I like to see them offer a HiPo 6-
>> > cylinder with model with about 300 or so HP to take on Hyundai's
>> > upcoming rwd pony.
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>> > Patrick
one80out@hotmail.com - 11 Dec 2007 18:38 GMT
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> >> > Patrick

I don't read that Auto Channel story as saying the engine will require
premium, just that it will produce 415 hp and 400 lb-ft if you use
high octane.  The statement that it will be a flex-fuel engine means
that it can vary ignition timing and possibly cam timing and the blow-
off valve according to the readouts of a knock sensor.

I read this month's Road & Track story on the rwd Hyundai pony car and
as I recall it the lineup will consist of a 4 cyl and a 6 cyl; the
Hyundai truck V8 won't fit.  The 6 cyl version will sell for Mustang
GT money.  So the correct comparison for the Hyundai V6 is the Mustang
V8.

The Hyundai V6 is supposed to put out about 320 hp, iirrc, and at a
pretty high rpm, like 6800.  The smaller displacement and the peakier
hp curve will make the existing 300 hp Mustang V8 feel a lot more
powerful in daily driving.  And finding another 20 to 50 hp from the
Ford 4.6 has never been a problem.

It sure would make no sense to have the base V6, or even an optional
V6, come out with expensive turbos and direct injection and 415 hp,
with the 300 hp V8 GT still in the lineup.  Lincoln probably would not
care much for the idea either, that it's latest technology should be
available in a sub-$30,000 Mustang.

180 Out
dwight - 12 Dec 2007 03:55 GMT
>> <NoOptio...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> that it can vary ignition timing and possibly cam timing and the blow-
> off valve according to the readouts of a knock sensor.

It wouldn't make sense in these times to have an engine that uses premium
only, so I take it back.

> I read this month's Road & Track story on the rwd Hyundai pony car and
> as I recall it the lineup will consist of a 4 cyl and a 6 cyl; the
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> 180 Out

I wouldn't think that the V6 Mustang would get the TwinForce immediately,
that's for sure. But, certainly, the day must come. And, given your point,
it makes me wonder about the future of the V8 engine. Can't you see the day
when the two options are a base V6 or the TwinForce V6 as the performance
model?

dwight
me@mymail.com - 12 Dec 2007 05:05 GMT
>I wouldn't think that the V6 Mustang would get the TwinForce immediately,
>that's for sure. But, certainly, the day must come. And, given your point,
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>dwight

That's the way Ford marketed the Explorer in the early days.  They had
the base V-6, the upgrade V-6 and the V-8.  Mercury Mountaineer
started with the upgrade V-6 and had the V-8.  It was/is the same with
a number of current vehicles.  So, yes, I can see the day when Mustang
has a base V-6 and a TwinForce as the upgrade model.  

John
John S. - 12 Dec 2007 11:31 GMT
On Dec 12, 5:05 am, m...@mymail.com wrote:

> >I wouldn't think that the V6 Mustang would get the TwinForce immediately,
> >that's for sure. But, certainly, the day must come. And, given your point,
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> John

Ok... i realize Ford sells a lot of V6s.... but I think a V6 only
Mustang will will definitely turn a lot of people off, regardless of
the V6's performance... Some people just love their V8s...  And not
everyone can make the jump up to the GT500...
ND - 26 Dec 2007 22:27 GMT
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> dwight

Never happen, reference mid to late 80's with the Ford Probe and the outcry
for a rear wheel drive 8 cylinder Mustang to remain.
dwight - 27 Dec 2007 01:52 GMT
>> I wouldn't think that the V6 Mustang would get the TwinForce immediately,
>> that's for sure. But, certainly, the day must come. And, given your
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> Never happen, reference mid to late 80's with the Ford Probe and the
> outcry for a rear wheel drive 8 cylinder Mustang to remain.

We're just going to have to wait and see, won't we?

There are two entirely different scenarios at work here. Back in the '70s,
the oil shortage was the result of economic manipulation. The resulting
panic that rippled through the automotive world seemed to dictate that cars
become more efficient in everything from mileage to aerodynamics. When the
panic subsided, we went back to our lust for power and speed.

What we're faced with today is mass panic over the state of the globe. Oil
is still not in short supply, but we may be on an irreversible path toward
an entirely new definition of personal transportation. Not this year or
next, but Fast and Furious IV may be all about racing hybrids and electrics.
It remains to be seen whether this is a phase or eventuality.

dwight
ND - 26 Dec 2007 22:25 GMT
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> 180 Out

Lets view this in retrospect. If what you are saying is true then it
certainly wouldnt have made sense for a 4 cylinder to be turbocharged and
compete against the larger 8 cylinder so effectively yet it happened, hence
the SVO. The Lincoln and Mustang never had a problem dealing with hp
competing internally. The 1987 Mustang had 225hp when the Lincoln Mark VII
only had 175hp (1988 the Mark went to 225hp). The Mustang Cobra had 305hp
when the Mark VIII had 280hp and 290hp in the LSC.
Jeff Mayner - 12 Dec 2007 18:15 GMT
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> Patrick

I'd be willing to bet it'll be the 4ltr with a supercharger.
ND - 26 Dec 2007 22:07 GMT
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> I'd be willing to bet it'll be the 4ltr with a supercharger.

The 4L is supposed to be replaced with the 3.5L 6 cylinder which is a good
thing. Present state the 3.5L is 265hp allready. The talk on the Lincoln is
supposed to be the 3.5L twin turbo'd 400 plus hp.

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