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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / January 2008Japmobile-loving Americans dooming own auto industry
It's a land of free choice. If you choice is an economy consisting of lawyers, coffee servers and I.T. techs instead of real industries, well that's your choice. And lets face it, you don't drive the JAP cars for pure reliability, all cars today are reliable. You drive them because you FEAR what your peers think. At least admit that much. Ford sales fall 9 per cent in December, 12 per cent for all of 2007 THE ASSOCIATED PRESS January 03, 2008 DETROIT - Ford Motor Co.'s sales fell nine per cent in December, ending with a whimper a year that is expected to be the worst for the auto industry since 1998 as consumers fretted over high gasoline prices and the economy. Toyota Motor Corp. is expected to overtake Ford as the No. 2 automaker by U.S. sales when it released its figures later Thursday. It would be the first time since 1931 that Ford wasn't second behind General Motors Corp., according to Ford corporate historian Bob Kreipke. Ford's car sales plummeted 24 per cent for all of 2007 as some models like the Ford Mustang aged and a new Ford Taurus sedan was unable to match the volumes of the older version. Truck sales were down five per cent for the year. Ford's overall sales were down 12 per cent for 2007. Ford has gone through too many model names in the past 15 years, too many changes in the cars. > It's a land of free choice. If you choice is an economy consisting of > lawyers, coffee servers and I.T. techs instead of real industries, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Truck sales were down five per cent for the year. Ford's overall sales > were down 12 per cent for 2007. > It's a land of free choice. If you choice is an economy consisting of > lawyers, coffee servers and I.T. techs instead of real industries, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Truck sales were down five per cent for the year. Ford's overall sales > were down 12 per cent for 2007. Please kill me the day I buy a Honda or Subaru. I've never owned a foreign vehicle and have no desire to ever to. ...And Canada isn't "foreign". John B. >> It's a land of free choice. If you choice is an economy consisting of >> lawyers, coffee servers and I.T. techs instead of real industries, [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > John B. It isn't? Try taking your gun there and get back to us on that... >>> It's a land of free choice. If you choice is an economy consisting of >>> lawyers, coffee servers and I.T. techs instead of real industries, [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > It isn't? Try taking your gun there and get back to us on that... I'd bet the purchase of my Titan paid as many or more workers in the US as the purchase of my Mustang did.  Signature"Yah know I hate it when forces gather in ma' fringe..." - Sheogorath "Daytime television sucked 20 years ago, and it still sucks today!" - Marc Bissonette >SNIP< >> Please kill me the day I buy a Honda or Subaru. I've never owned a >> foreign [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > It isn't? Try taking your gun there and get back to us on that... Great comparison - you really proved your point! My wife was a member of the UAW for over 20 years until they packed up her plant and shipped their jobs off to another State, Mexico, and Canada. She could accept the jobs moving to another State (she was offered a job in the new location), and even Canada (similar wages ect.), but not Mexico. The company stiffed the workers on severance pay. She had never owned anything made outside of US/CAN until now - now she owns a VW. >> It's a land of free choice. If you choice is an economy consisting of >> lawyers, coffee servers and I.T. techs instead of real industries, [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > thinks their family should be unemployed just to save 10 cents on a > purchase? > It's a land of free choice. If you choice is an economy consisting of > lawyers, coffee servers and I.T. techs instead of real industries, > well that's your choice. And lets face it, you don't drive the JAP > cars for pure reliability, all cars today are reliable. You drive > them because you FEAR what your peers think. At least admit that > much. Dude... rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang I think you posted to the wrong newsgroup. dwight > > It's a land of free choice. If you choice is an economy consisting of > > lawyers, coffee servers and I.T. techs instead of real industries, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > dwight I thinks the sales drop at Ford pertains to the group, especially since sales stalwarts like the Mustang are also down. I still hate Japmobiles and my car is a 2004 Mach-1. >> > It's a land of free choice. If you choice is an economy consisting of >> > lawyers, coffee servers and I.T. techs instead of real industries, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > since sales stalwarts like the Mustang are also down. I still hate > Japmobiles and my car is a 2004 Mach-1. Sure, the article, fine. But the rant and lecture about buying Japanese cars? Not so much. My current stable includes three Fords and a Mercury. And if I want to buy a Japanese car - or even a Chinese car - that's my business. I'm not the reason that Ford is no longer No. 2. dwight This is our troll-whiner(RichA) from the digital photogrhy groups he hasn't got naything better to do than try and stir stuff up by posting this crap Dave > >> "Rich" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1ee8aa54-88eb-4c1a-bd87-1fa4455dc3a2@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > >> > It's a land of free choice. If you choice is an economy consisting of > >> > lawyers, coffee servers and I.T. techs instead of real industries, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > dwight > This is our troll-whiner(RichA) from the digital photogrhy groups he hasn't > got naything better to do than try and stir stuff up by posting this crap Amen, brother! > Dave >>>> "Rich" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> >> dwight > This is our troll-whiner(RichA) from the digital photogrhy groups he > hasn't > got naything better to do than try and stir stuff up by posting this crap > > Dave Yeah, but that was an OLD troll. Mid-80s stuff, I think. My previous neighbor used to have a bumper sticker on his car: Hungry? Out of work? Eat your Japanese car. Of course, he hadn't bought a new car of ANY origin in decades, but he was a true patriotic A-muhr-ican - he just wasn't doing anything to improve the bottom line of any of the Big Three. Me, I've got a pair of 15-year-olds, only one of which I bought new. But at least I lease a new Escape every three years. So I get to talk. :() >> >> "Rich" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> >> dwight >> This is our troll-whiner(RichA) from the digital photogrhy groups he >> hasn't [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > :() Isn't than now referred to as the "Taurus X" ?? Signature"Yah know I hate it when forces gather in ma' fringe..." - Sheogorath "Daytime television sucked 20 years ago, and it still sucks today!" - Marc Bissonette >>> This is our troll-whiner(RichA) from the digital photogrhy groups he >>> hasn't [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Isn't than now referred to as the "Taurus X" ?? Nope. The Escape is more truck. The Taurus X looks like what used to be called the Freestyle, a crossover (read: Volvo station wagon). Now I see Ford's bringing up the Flex, which looks stolen from Land Rover. Jean loves her Escape, and when Ford stops building them, I have no idea what she'll drive next... dwight >> "Rich" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> You drive >>> them because you FEAR what your peers think. At least admit that >>> much. And your pretense to know why I drive a Nissan daily is laughable. IDGAF what you or anyone let alone "peers" think. Signature"Yah know I hate it when forces gather in ma' fringe..." - Sheogorath "Daytime television sucked 20 years ago, and it still sucks today!" - Marc Bissonette Rich... have you actually looked to see how many "Japanese" cars are actually built in North America... by North American workers? I didn't think so.... The Tundra is being assembled at a plant in San Antonio... that's in Texas... not Japan...And this isn't the only case.... Is Toyota gaining market share? Yes.... But they have become an intrinsic part of the North American automobile manufacturing community. Take a look at any new Ford.... tell me you don't see "Hecho en Mexico" on anything.... tell me that there aren't parts and pieces made all over the world.... South America.... Taiwan.... Japan... Europe.... Next time you see a SuperDuty with a "LOBO" badge on it... ask yourself where that truck was built.... Hint.... think "south".... Knowing how to "cut and paste" doesn't mean we are up on general knowledge... > It's a land of free choice. If you choice is an economy consisting of > lawyers, coffee servers and I.T. techs instead of real industries, > well that's your choice. And lets face it, you don't drive the JAP > cars for pure reliability, all cars today are reliable. You drive > them because you FEAR what your peers think. At least admit that > much. The 1970's called. It wants its idiotic argument back. I suppose some slanty eyed Asian TEEEEEK YURRR JUUUURRRRBBBBB!!! > It's a land of free choice. If you choice is an economy consisting of > lawyers, coffee servers and I.T. techs instead of real industries, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Truck sales were down five per cent for the year. Ford's overall sales > were down 12 per cent for 2007. I think that part of the problem might be with Ford's reliably, since they don't seem to wear out then the only reason to buy a new one is 'cause you're bored with the old one. My 20 year old GT is closing on 300,000 miles and it wasn't until this last model change that I was tempted to buy a new car, I even went so far as to stop by the dealer and perused some of his inventory. But then gas prices started to rise and I decided that I just didn't need the headache of trying to squeeze additional money out of the household budget for a new car payment along with the extra funds necessary to cope with the upcoming and inevitable jump in the cost of living. Besides, my current and paid for Mustang GT already gets around 20 miles per gallon and still out performs 8 out of 10 vehicles on the road even today. Interestingly enough Ford is the author of many of its own problems. For instance Flex fuel technology has been around for some time now and nobody has thought to pursue it. There are even several Ford model cars already on the road that are Flex fuel capable whose owners don't even know about it. Automobile sales themselves are cyclic in nature and rise and fall with the health of the economy and in a war time economy like the one we are in currently auto sales just fall through the floor. At one time Ford had a very respected defense branch (Ford Aerospace) which manufactured all kinds of Military hardware. This very profitable (even in peace time) division was sold to a corporate raider who broke the division apart to pay for the take over then took the remainder to form what was known as Loral Aerospace. He then took pieces of that company and sold them in order to finance another pipe dream known as Globalstar. Jump forward to today and you can see we have a war going on, people aren't buying cars, and Ford doesn't have a defense division to help compensate for the shortfall. With short sighted thinking like that it's no wonder they are losing market share.
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