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Bob Autrey - 24 May 2004 03:02 GMT

When I jump the "S" terminal with battery voltage with the ignition switch
in the off position the motor cranks, and I'm pretty certain that I can hear
the starter gear snap back when the jumper is removed. However, if I start
the engine, remove the control wire from the "S" terminal, and jump it -
there is no change in the sound. It sounds like the starter is turning all
the time, and jumping it does not produce the expected noises that one
expects to hear when engaging the starter while the engine is running.

Bob

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<<Joe>> - 24 May 2004 10:13 GMT

Could be stuck because the starter is not mounted perfectly straight and is
hanging up on the flywheel.

> When I jump the "S" terminal with battery voltage with the ignition switch
> in the off position the motor cranks, and I'm pretty certain that I can
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>
> Bob

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eddy eagle - 24 May 2004 16:41 GMT

> Could be stuck because the starter is not mounted perfectly straight and is
> hanging up on the flywheel.
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> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.690 / Virus Database: 451 - Release Date: 5/22/2004

If you're trying to engage the starter with the motor running as a
test you will damage something. Bad idea.
If the drive is engaged with the motor running you can usually hear
it. You hear a whine as the motor revs up and the drive will burn up
very quickly. If the starter relay is stuck this can happen, but you
would notice it because that starter would keep turning the engine
over when you shut the key off.
Sometimes burrs on the flywheel from bad engagement can hold the drive
out there too.
Why are you asking and what did you do, if anything, that might cause
a problem?

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Tom - 24 May 2004 21:19 GMT

you have the wires on the solenoid all screwed up. until you find the proper
wiring order, you will continue to have this problem

> > Could be stuck because the starter is not mounted perfectly straight and is
> > hanging up on the flywheel.
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> Why are you asking and what did you do, if anything, that might cause
> a problem?

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Bobby - 25 May 2004 04:02 GMT

| On 5/23/04 17:19 David M wrote:
|
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| > The starter relay on the fender is just a switch. When you apply 12V to
| > the small "S" terminal, then the switch closes, and current flows

through

| > the two large terminals. When there is no voltage on the "S" terminal
| > then the switch opens... unless the contacts are welded shut due to
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| > from the starter relay. Using your ohmmeter, measure the resistance
| > between the two large terminals. With everything off (which it has to

be,

| > with the battery disconnected!) you should read an open circuit

(infinite

| > resistance).
|
| Check. Reads open circuit.
|
| > Now, with the battery "-" (ground) still connected, connect
| > a jumper between the battery "+" and the small "S" terminal on the

relay.

| > You should hear a load "Click" as the relay closes. The resistance
| > between the two large terminals of the relay should now read less than 1
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| Actually, with my cables there is a heavy cable going directly to the
| starter from the positive pole on the battery, and another heavy cable

going

| to the large (firewall side) pole of the fender mounted relay. Then from

the

| other large stud on the relay a much smaller wire (about 12 gage) runs

down

| to the solenoid mounted on the starter. So... For this test I disconnected
| the heavy cable at the starter stud.
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|
| I read about 12 volts from the large cable at the relay (obviously) which

| still connected to the battery. I read 0 volts between ground and the

other

| large post on the relay (where the smaller wire runs between the relay and
| the solenoid.
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|
| > Turn the key to "start".. you should hear the relay "click". There

should

| > now be battery voltage on the large starter terminal.
|
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| Why are you asking and what did you do, if anything, that might cause
| a problem?

For more info on this thread, refer to thread: "Starter keeps running &
burns up!!!"

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JDApollo - 31 May 2004 00:17 GMT

>Could be stuck because the starter is not mounted perfectly straight and is
>hanging up on the flywheel.
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>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
>Version: 6.0.690 / Virus Database: 451 - Release Date: 5/22/2004

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JDApollo - 31 May 2004 00:20 GMT

>Could be stuck because the starter is not mounted perfectly straight and is
>hanging up on the flywheel.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
>Version: 6.0.690 / Virus Database: 451 - Release Date: 5/22/2004

Joe is right. Listen to the quite unassumeing people, when they speak
it is the best thought out remarks.

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David M - 29 May 2004 01:40 GMT

> When I jump the "S" terminal with battery voltage with the ignition switch
> in the off position the motor cranks, and I'm pretty certain that I can
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>
> Bob

Uh, Bob... when the engine is running, and you put battery voltage on the
"S" terminal of the relay, what do think is going to happen? The starter
is going to turn.

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user@domain.invalid - 29 May 2004 17:12 GMT

Bob I don't think you are understand the question.

> Uh, Bob... when the engine is running, and you put battery voltage on the
> "S" terminal of the relay, what do think is going to happen? The starter
> is going to turn.

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