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1998 F-150 4x4 AC always on?

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BCM - 16 May 2005 21:53 GMT
Hi can anyone help me with this problem?
My AC is always on. The only time it goes off is when the heater control is
set to off or panel.
In the Floor, Panel/Floor or Defrost settings AC is always pumping I would
like to fix this problem I'm using more fuel with the AC always on.
When I have the heat on the AC keeps pumping. Lots of heat just the
compressor wont turn of it shouldn't run when the heat is on.

Now I disconnected the electrical connector on the compressor clutch cycling
switch and this makes the AC pump turn off. So I think the problem is before
this?

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks in advance.
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego - 17 May 2005 02:19 GMT
>Hi can anyone help me with this problem?
>My AC is always on. The only time it goes off is when the heater control is
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>switch and this makes the AC pump turn off. So I think the problem is before
>this?

The compressor on my '02 F350 runs in most settings, regardless of the
temp setting..  Lazy engineering if you ask me.
Andyt - 17 May 2005 03:25 GMT
The ac in my 99 ranger runs regardless of temp setting in all positions
except 'floor' or 'panel'. Anything else and ford claims its dehumidifying.

It is just lazy.

> >Hi can anyone help me with this problem?
> >My AC is always on. The only time it goes off is when the heater control is
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> The compressor on my '02 F350 runs in most settings, regardless of the
> temp setting..  Lazy engineering if you ask me.
Rob Munach - 18 May 2005 12:00 GMT
> The ac in my 99 ranger runs regardless of temp setting in all positions
> except 'floor' or 'panel'. Anything else and ford claims its dehumidifying.
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>>The compressor on my '02 F350 runs in most settings, regardless of the
>>temp setting..  Lazy engineering if you ask me.

Most japanese vehicles seem to have a button to turn the compressor on
and off. I guess the american manufacturers don't trust us to use this
properly. What a total waste of fuel! I like being able to run hot air
on my windsheild without the compressor running.

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Carrboro, NC 27510

Hairy - 18 May 2005 15:19 GMT
> Most japanese vehicles seem to have a button to turn the compressor on
> and off. I guess the american manufacturers don't trust us to use this
> properly.

You are proof that they are correct.

What a total waste of fuel! I like being able to run hot air
> on my windsheild without the compressor running.

Defrost or demist is the one time when it makes sense to have the compressor
running because it dehimidifies the air. Do you have any idea what happens
when you blow warm moist air against cold glass?
Rob Munach - 19 May 2005 01:52 GMT
>>Most japanese vehicles seem to have a button to turn the compressor on
>>and off. I guess the american manufacturers don't trust us to use this
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> running because it dehimidifies the air. Do you have any idea what happens
> when you blow warm moist air against cold glass?

Hmm, lets see, the moisture will condense and thus killing my
visibility. I actually have never had this happen.  If it does, I just
push the button.

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Rob Munach, PE
Excel Engineering
PO Box 1264
Carrboro, NC 27510

Andyt - 25 May 2005 05:16 GMT
what bugs me about it, is the settings make no sense. Dehumidify the
windscreen and the floor, I can understand that. But the ranger dosnt run
the dehumidifyer on the floor. Not unless you switch to floor/panel
combined. And why then?!

You get what you pay for.

> >>Most japanese vehicles seem to have a button to turn the compressor on
> >>and off. I guess the american manufacturers don't trust us to use this
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> visibility. I actually have never had this happen.  If it does, I just
> push the button.
CJB - 26 May 2005 00:00 GMT
Because the evidence of excessive humidity is the fogging of the window.  If
you don't have excessive humidity, then you don't need to dehumidify.  Seems
pretty simple to me.

CJB

> what bugs me about it, is the settings make no sense. Dehumidify the
> windscreen and the floor, I can understand that. But the ranger dosnt run
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>> visibility. I actually have never had this happen.  If it does, I just
>> push the button.
CJB - 17 May 2005 02:58 GMT
I doubt SERIOUSLY that there is a problem.  Most auto manufacturers lately
have set the compressor to run on most settings.  Why?  To remove humidity
from the cabin.  It makes sense that if you need to defog the interior of
your windshield, that you have excess humidity.  Most of the time, the
compressor is off on the vent setting and the floor only setting.  Any blend
between floor and defrost will get the compressor.  I can see the logic of
keeping the compressor on when in the floor setting though.  Usually floor
is used for heat in the winter, one of the hardest times of the year to keep
moisture from collecting inside the car (because of snow tracked inside)

CJB

> Hi can anyone help me with this problem?
> My AC is always on. The only time it goes off is when the heater control
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Thanks in advance.
Joe - 17 May 2005 03:52 GMT
This would be FAQ, if we had one. It's been asked 100 times. It's made that
way, and that's about all you have to say.
BCM - 17 May 2005 05:32 GMT
Well if that's how its made I'm not impressed. What I am going to do is
install a switch and turn it off when I want it off and see if my gas
mileage improves.

Thanks to everyone that replied.
Tyrone - 18 May 2005 01:17 GMT
> Well if that's how its made I'm not impressed. What I am going to do is
> install a switch and turn it off when I want it off and see if my gas
> mileage improves.
>
> Thanks to everyone that replied.

And.....you will defeat the functionality of the system.  It doesn't
matter if you are heating or cooling.  The output is a blend of both the
heating system and the cooling system.  The only thing the temperature
control does, is control the register that determines how much hot air
is mixed with the cold.
lugnut - 17 May 2005 13:54 GMT
>Hi can anyone help me with this problem?
>My AC is always on. The only time it goes off is when the heater control is
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Thanks in advance.

That would be exactly how it is supposed to work.  The
reason is humidity reduction to help prevent window fogging
and help keep the cab dried out for those of us who are in
and out in the rain or snow.  Below about 40 deg ambient
temp, the compressor is not used anyway.  It is good for the
compressor to operate some to keep the oil circulating
inside the system.  Lastly, you will not save much on gas on
these nice days by driving with the windows open instead of
the a/c.  I have kept detailed mileage logs for years.  All
of the Fords I have had - at least on the highway - have
gotten better fuel mileage with the a/c running instead of
the windows open.  Modern compressor just do not require the
fuel the old compressors did.

BTW, on some vehicles, disconnecting the compressor
electrically will set a fault code in the ECM.  The ECM uses
this bit of info to control idle speed.  It also cuts out
the compressor at near full throttle to prevent overspeed
damage to the compressor and allow full engine power to the
wheels.

Good luck
Lugnut
Spdloader - 17 May 2005 15:43 GMT
I believe you can control that by turning your temperature control setting
down just a bit. We own Fords exclusively, and in both my '99 F350 and my
wifes '03 SportTrack and '04 Explorer, there is a mark on the temp faceplate
where the compressor goes off.

Maybe not on yours, but maybe that'll help.

Spdloader

> Hi can anyone help me with this problem?
> My AC is always on. The only time it goes off is when the heater control
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Thanks in advance.
BCM - 18 May 2005 01:47 GMT
I decided to just leave the AC system alone and not install a switch.

Thanks to everyone for all the great input.

> Hi can anyone help me with this problem?
> My AC is always on. The only time it goes off is when the heater control
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Thanks in advance.
 
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