On my 1985 351 E150 with a Ford/Holley 4 bbl carb:
For the last few days, I have smelled gasoline coming from the engine
compartment when the engine warmed up. I just presumed that a vent hose
had come loose so I wasn't worried about it. Then ...
I drove to town about 40 miles away, and the engine started running
TERRIBLY, like it was getting WAY too much gasoline. I immediately
headed straight home, but I used an entire tank of gas in just 40 miles!
Obviously a sunk float, or so I thought. I restarted the engine and
pulled the two float level screws from the float bowls, but no gas ran
out! Further, the engine now idles OK!
I suppose that a temporarily stuck float bowl valve could have done
this, but that wouldn't explain the smell, and besides, I don't like
"bogeyman explanations".
Any ideas what ELSE could have gone wrong to do this?
Thanks in advance for saving my carb.
Steve Richfie1d
David M - 30 Jul 2005 02:58 GMT
> On my 1985 351 E150 with a Ford/Holley 4 bbl carb:
> I suppose that a temporarily stuck float bowl valve could have done
> this, but that wouldn't explain the smell, and besides, I don't like
> "bogeyman explanations".
If the float was stuck and the valve was hung open, gas would have
been coming out of the vents & such. I would be surprised if
you DIDN'T smell gas.

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Steve - 30 Jul 2005 03:31 GMT
David,
> If the float was stuck and the valve was hung open, gas would have
> been coming out of the vents & such. I would be surprised if
> you DIDN'T smell gas.
Oops, I forgot to mention that the air cleaner wasn't very dirty but it
WAS pretty much soaked in gasoline! I don't know where ELSE the gas
could have come from other than the vents.
However, it now idles OK, and with the air cleaner off I don't see any
gas coming from the vents, yet I STILL smell some gas. This doesn't seem
to fit ANY of the theories other than multiple problems. Hmmm, I guess
multiple problems IS a possibility in a 20 year old vehicle.
Decades ago I ran into a case where the fuel pressure went astronomical,
forcing its way into the bowls. This engine has a mechanical pump. I
wonder of its internal regulator could sometimes be going berserk?!
Thanks for your thought.
Steve Richfie1d
David M - 30 Jul 2005 12:45 GMT
> David,
>
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> Steve Richfie1d
I can always smell a little gasoline when I run my Torino, but
that's probably because I have it jetted too rich :-)

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Steve - 02 Aug 2005 20:09 GMT
Many thanks for everyone who volunteered their opinions, but after
tearing the carb apart and finding NOTHING wrong, it has been quite a
witch hunt to find the REAL culprit. Here is what apparently happened:
The fuel pump developed a microscopic leak in its diaphragm, which built
up fuel behind it (the business side is on the bottom, so the gas
collected on the top of the diaphragm). There was a 1/4" hole in the
side of the pump to keep any leaking fuel out of the oil, so it leaked
out there and THAT is what we smelled for days preceding the
semi-disaster. When I removed the fuel pump, it dumped a teaspoon full
of gasoline onto my hand from that vent hole. Further, everything below
the vent hole was VERY clean.
When, we drove ~50 miles to town on a HOT day, loaded up our trailer
with a half a ton of stuff, and generally heated the engine block well
above the boiling point of the gasoline. With the PCV system in good
working order, the vaporized gasoline from the leak was sucked IN to the
crankcase, some went into the oil (that gained about 3 quarts in volume)
and the remainder went either through the PCV or the crankcase vent to
the air cleaner. I suspect that in the process the leak got a lot worse.
Curiously, once in this mode, we didn't smell any more gasoline -
because it was no longer leaking externally, but was all being sucked
into the engine!
In total, this hassle ended up including:
1. Tearing apart a perfectly good carburetor.
2. Changing the oil and filter.
3. Replacing the air cleaner.
4. Replacing the fuel pump.
5. Replacing the tank full of gasoline that was lost, this being the
biggest actual expense of them all!
I had just gotten back from a long trip in this vehicle. I shudder to
think how this story would have turned out if this had all happened on
the road. By the time some repair shop had replaced the carb, etc., I
could have been out a LOT of money.
Thanks again for everyone's comments.
Steve Richfie1d
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> On my 1985 351 E150 with a Ford/Holley 4 bbl carb:
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> Steve Richfie1d
David M - 03 Aug 2005 02:10 GMT
> Thanks again for everyone's comments.
Glad to hear you got it fixed.

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