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02 F250 SD V10

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TJ25012 - 17 Aug 2005 22:24 GMT
I currently have an 02 F250 SD with a V10.  I get 12 - 13 MPG.  Are
there any tips or enhancements that i can make to increase the MPG?
I'm not overly concerned with the mpg otherwise i wouldn't have bought
the truck.  But it doesn't hurt to ask

TJ
351CJ - 18 Aug 2005 00:07 GMT
Not much.  Most solutions people will offer up won't change your mileage at
all unless they involve you changing your driving habits.

Things like:
Slow starts and stops, no stomping on it...

That low mileage is a big part of the reason I selected the 2005 6.0 Diesel
over the V10...

Good luck

>I currently have an 02 F250 SD with a V10.  I get 12 - 13 MPG.  Are
> there any tips or enhancements that i can make to increase the MPG?
> I'm not overly concerned with the mpg otherwise i wouldn't have bought
> the truck.  But it doesn't hurt to ask
>
> TJ
Mellowed - 18 Aug 2005 19:52 GMT
What kind of mileage do you get with the 6.0?

: Not much.  Most solutions people will offer up won't change your mileage at
: all unless they involve you changing your driving habits.
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: > TJ
Eisboch - 19 Aug 2005 03:20 GMT
> What kind of mileage do you get with the 6.0?

15.8-16 around town, 18 or so highway, (not towing).

Eisboch
Mellowed - 19 Aug 2005 04:16 GMT
humm.  That sounds good to me.

: > What kind of mileage do you get with the 6.0?
:
: 15.8-16 around town, 18 or so highway, (not towing).
:
: Eisboch
351CJ - 19 Aug 2005 08:48 GMT
Well first of all, My truck is a F-450 4x4 crew cab, 6 speed, DRW 4.30
gears.  This truck has a 9.5 foot long 8 foot wide flatbed with two 18x18x36
side boxes and weighs in at 10,300 pounds full of fuel (59 gallons) and
empty of cargo.  The 2005 F-350 SRW configured the same, 6.0-liter, Loaded
Lariat etc. weighs in some where around ~7000 pounds.

I have over 15,000 miles on my '05 6.0-liter Power Stroke diesel, 10,000 of
that towing.  Not a hiccup, not a single drop of anything leaking from
anywhere.  Zero oil consumption.   The entire truck has been totally trouble
free.

Driving easy without a trailer, mixed around town short highway trips, I am
getting between 13.8 and 14.7 MPG each fill up.  If I stomp on it all the
time it gets 12.5-13.5 MPG.  Not as big a difference as I expected between
driving easy and not.

Pulling one of 4 different trailers, 5th wheel RV ~9000 pounds, 4 Horse
Goose Neck ~7500-15,000 pounds depending on load, 18 foot long extra tall
covered Wells Cargo trailer ~4500-10,000 pounds depending on load and a tilt
bed flatbed trailer ~4500-10,000 pounds.  If I keep it under 60 miles per
hour, I'm seeing 11.5-12.5 MPG no mater how I drive and traveling 65-85 MPH
I get 10.5-11.5 MPG each fill up.  All of this mileage is with windows up
and the automatic temp controller on in the warm weather so the air
compressor is engaged.

The pulling power is OUTSTANDING. I just pulled a Corvette (3218 pounds) on
a tilt bed flatbed trailer (4500 pounds) just under 8000 pounds from
Sacramento California to Detroit Michigan east on Interstate 80, and for the
most part left it in overdrive on cruse control.  When I stomped on it up
the hills most rigs had trouble not being left behind.  :-)

The best information I can gather, talking about the 2005's is all else
being equal, the diesels will see 25%-50% better fuel mileage than the same
truck with a gas engine.  If you drive above sea level, or do a lot of
hill/pass driving, you will notice that the turbo charged diesel does not
suffer from that dreaded -10% power loss per 1000 feet of elevation gain
that the naturally aspirated gas engines do (thinner air).

I actually seriously considered the 6.8 liter 30 valve 362 Horsepower 457
Torque gas engine when I ordered this truck, I am SO GLAD I decided to go
with the 6.0 liter 32 valve 325 Horsepower 570 Torque diesel engine.

> What kind of mileage do you get with the 6.0?
>
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> : >
> : > TJ
SnoMan - 20 Aug 2005 08:36 GMT
>The best information I can gather, talking about the 2005’s is
>all else
>being equal, the diesels will see 25%-50% better fuel mileage than the
>same truck with a gas engine.  

THis is far fetched because IF the gas engine is properly geared for
the load it will not get 5 MPG when the oil burner gets 10 on same
load. Back in the late 70 when I work in constructio drive single axle
and triaxle dump truck I drove a C70 Chevy triaxle for a while with a
427 and a 20 speed (5 x 4) and it was legal up to 60,000 lbs (about 20
ton payload and it had over 100K on it when I drove it and drive train
was still factory issue) It had no power problems for its weight other
than you would expect from a 30 ton truck and empty you could keep 65
on ANY interstate hill around here (about 10 tons empty). Also on
fairly flat grond you could hold 60 to 65 MPH at 30 tons GVW. I used
to average 5 to 6 MPG on road when loaded on highway and 4 to 5 in
town running loaded. Never checked MPG empty. Diesel are usually
geared better to their power curves than gass engine from the factory
so it gives them a bigger false edge at times.
Eisboch - 21 Aug 2005 01:11 GMT
> THis is far fetched because IF the gas engine is properly geared for
> the load it will not get 5 MPG when the oil burner gets 10 on same
> load.

On a recent camping adventure to New Hampshire, my 2005 F350 Powerstroke
Diesel got beween 10.8 and 11.2 mpg hauling a 37 foot fifth wheel.

My son, who made the same trip in a 2005 F250 with the V10 gasser got around
7-8 mpg hauling a 30 foot fifth wheel that was a couple of thousand lbs
lighter than mine.

Eisboch
Mellowed - 21 Aug 2005 15:05 GMT
That mileage sounds correct to me.  I hauled a 14,000 lb 5th wheel from
Calif to Montreal with a '99 F350CC 4x4 V10 and averaged 8.1 mpg over
8,000 miles.  I also had the Banks Power Pac installed.  Note, I did try
to limit my speed to about 60 mph.

: > THis is far fetched because IF the gas engine is properly geared for
: > the load it will not get 5 MPG when the oil burner gets 10 on same
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: Eisboch
351CJ - 22 Aug 2005 07:31 GMT
>>The best information I can gather, talking about the 2005's is
>>all else
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> geared better to their power curves than gass engine from the factory
> so it gives them a bigger false edge at times.

Far fetched??  You are comparing 1970's vintage technology with 2005
technology and there is almost no comparison!  In this discussion about
current diesels you don't seem to know what you are talking about.  The
gearing between CURRENT gas and diesel Superduty trucks in is not that
different.  They run the EXACT same transmissions and are available with the
EXACT same final axels ratios.  (Yes some years and brands may offer a few
gear ratios specific to gas or diesel only, but they also offer some gear
ratios common to both! )

ALL THINGS being the same, on a 2005 F-350 with the TorqShift 5 speed
automatic transmission (Same gear ratio gas or diesel) and 4.10 rear gears
the 6.8 liter V-10 Gas engine WILL get less (25-50%) fuel mileage than the
same truck with the 6.0 liter V-8 Turbo Diesel engine.  To top it off, the
diesel will drag a 15,000 trailer up a 6% 7500 foot pass a lot faster and
easier than that same gas truck all while getting better mileage.  That is a
fact, not an opinion.
TJ25012 - 25 Aug 2005 20:11 GMT
I tried a little test.  I did slow starts and stops and drove speed
limits the whole time.  I was able to get over 14mpg closer to 15, so
If i take it easy on the starts and hard accelerations, the MPG is a
bit better
351CJ - 25 Aug 2005 21:18 GMT
>I tried a little test.  I did slow starts and stops and drove speed
> limits the whole time.  I was able to get over 14mpg closer to 15, so
> If i take it easy on the starts and hard accelerations, the MPG is a
> bit better

Outstanding!  :-)

That is about as good as it is going to get.
A few other things that will help are:
keeping your tires inflated, I run mine near the max pressure most of the
time.
Make sure your air filter is clean, when it starts to restrict your air
intake it will decrease your fuel mileage.

But it is damn hard to keep from stomping on that monster isn't it?  :-)

I have to keep my trucks computer set on the MPG selection so it can keep
reminding me not to stomp on it.
I have found that if I keep the factory boost gauge under 10 pounds of
boost, I get my best fuel mileage.
10 pounds or less of boost makes for pretty easy starts.  :-)

Enjoy your truck.
Matt Mead - 25 Aug 2005 22:01 GMT
>I tried a little test.  I did slow starts and stops and drove speed
>limits the whole time.  I was able to get over 14mpg closer to 15, so
>If i take it easy on the starts and hard accelerations, the MPG is a
>bit better

Yeah, that's what I've managed with my V-10 in the past.  Don't see it
now, but used to see 13-14 all the time with a one hour, 40-50 mph
commute I used to have.  What really amazed me was when my truck
averaged 14.5 mpg comming across the (flat) central US while loaded
down and towing a loaded 2-place snowmobile trailer.  The reason?  My
wife was driving it following me in an overloaded Ryder rental truck
that wouldn't do over 60 mph.

Matt
99 V-10 Super Duty, Super Cab 4x4
Matt Macchiarolo - 18 Aug 2005 02:28 GMT
About all you can do is trade it in on a Ranger.

>I currently have an 02 F250 SD with a V10.  I get 12 - 13 MPG.  Are
> there any tips or enhancements that i can make to increase the MPG?
> I'm not overly concerned with the mpg otherwise i wouldn't have bought
> the truck.  But it doesn't hurt to ask
>
> TJ
Matt Mead - 18 Aug 2005 05:28 GMT
>I currently have an 02 F250 SD with a V10.  I get 12 - 13 MPG.  Are
>there any tips or enhancements that i can make to increase the MPG?
>I'm not overly concerned with the mpg otherwise i wouldn't have bought
>the truck.  But it doesn't hurt to ask
>
>TJ

You are right in the ballpark.  I've seen 14-15 with mine on
occassion, but that was driving nice in the 45-55 mph range for
extended periods.  Running 70, I get about 12.

You can try the usual tricks like headers and free flowing exhausts
and a less restrictive air intake.  It would take A LONG TIME to
recoup the cost though.

Matt
99 V-10 Super Duty, Super Cab 4x4
Razorblade - 21 Aug 2005 06:32 GMT
Not with the way gas is headed. If you drive 300 miles per week average and
can boost your average from 12MPG to lets say 15MPG, you will save over $650
in a year with gas at $2.50 per gallon.

Razor

> You can try the usual tricks like headers and free flowing exhausts
> and a less restrictive air intake.  It would take A LONG TIME to
> recoup the cost though.
>
> Matt
> 99 V-10 Super Duty, Super Cab 4x4
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego - 18 Aug 2005 06:20 GMT
>I currently have an 02 F250 SD with a V10.  I get 12 - 13 MPG.  Are
>there any tips or enhancements that i can make to increase the MPG?
>I'm not overly concerned with the mpg otherwise i wouldn't have bought
>the truck.  But it doesn't hurt to ask

Damn!  How are you getting 12-13 MPG?  Is this a standard cab, short
bed with 3.73 gears and a manual tranny?

I get 9 on mine '02 SD CC 4wd Long bed with 4.30 gears..  (the 35"
tires and lift probably don't help.. heheh)
TJ25012 - 18 Aug 2005 12:09 GMT
Mine is a Crew cab, short box, Auto, with 3.73 gears 4x4.  Sounds
pretty similar without the lift and the tires.

> >I currently have an 02 F250 SD with a V10.  I get 12 - 13 MPG.  Are
> >there any tips or enhancements that i can make to increase the MPG?
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> I get 9 on mine '02 SD CC 4wd Long bed with 4.30 gears..  (the 35"
> tires and lift probably don't help.. heheh)
Matt Mead - 18 Aug 2005 15:24 GMT
>>I currently have an 02 F250 SD with a V10.  I get 12 - 13 MPG.  Are
>>there any tips or enhancements that i can make to increase the MPG?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>I get 9 on mine '02 SD CC 4wd Long bed with 4.30 gears..  (the 35"
>tires and lift probably don't help.. heheh)

I'd guess the newer the truck, the worse the mileage too.  I only say
that because the HP and torque numbers have come up over the years and
that can be a negative on the mileage.

My truck has the 4.3 gears and a 5 spd manual.  The 4.3 gears really
hurt mileage as the speeds climb.

As for tire size, I took a 1 mpg hit (correction factored in) just for
jumping one size to 285s.

Matt
99 V-10 Super Duty, Super Cab 4x4
Aint-Right - 19 Aug 2005 02:52 GMT
I also have 4.30 gear 5 spd manual and put 285's on as well but that brings
the gear ratio to about 4.10 or so, so how does that give you worse mileage?
Not being a jerk I just thought that 4.10 would get better mileage than a
4.30. I never understood the bigger tires worse mileage, smaller gear better
mileage. please explain. By the way i just saw in the jcwitney catalog a
throttle body spacer for 90 bucs this should help on mileage a smidge.

Chris 00 250 SD CC 4.30 5SPD 4X4
Matt Mead - 19 Aug 2005 03:43 GMT
>I also have 4.30 gear 5 spd manual and put 285's on as well but that brings
>the gear ratio to about 4.10 or so, so how does that give you worse mileage?
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>
>Chris 00 250 SD CC 4.30 5SPD 4X4

You know, I thought the same thing you did.  I was actually expecting
a slight increase in mileage since my dad's truck is just like mine
except it has an automatic and 3.73 gears and he consistently gets 1-2
mpg better than me.  It sure didn't work out that way for me though.
The only thing I can figure is the overall bigger-ness (new word!)
works against the improvement of overall gear ratio.  The new tire is
heavier, taller and wider.  This new tire is slightly more aggressive
too as I went from the Factory Firestones to Pro-Comp A/Ts.

And to think I originally thought that going up to 315s would have
little to no effect on mileage due to the improvement in highway
gearing......

Matt
99 V-10 Super Duty, Super Cab 4x4
 
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