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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / December 2005

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Newbie 4x4 Advice Please?

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c - 19 Dec 2005 15:15 GMT
Hi.

I just took possession of a nice 1995 Ford F-250 4WD.

I'm new to 4WD...can anyone give me tips as how to use it?

I've heard not to make turns with it engaged.  Would it hurt anything just
to engage it and drive a mile or two to check things out?

Also...What maintenance is required?  I plan to take it to a mechanic...but
I would like to have some resources available to me in an effort to educate
myself.

Maybe some webs links?

Thanks,  Chuck
Mellowed - 19 Dec 2005 16:25 GMT
Do you have manual or automatic hubs?

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gw - 19 Dec 2005 18:25 GMT
I would not engage it on a dry road, even for testing. A dirt or gravel road
would be a good choice.

You can make turns with 4WD engaged, it's just not a good idea to do it on
dry pavement. Sharp turns, such as while parking, can also cause binding in
the drive train and should be avoided. Only engage 4WD on surfaces which
will allow the front wheels to slip - snow, ice, sand, gravel, mud, etc.

Also, avoid the mistake of many new 4x4 owners - Four wheel drive will help
you to GO, but it will not help you STOP! There is a false sense of security
when you can get moving in low-traction conditions. Ice is ice. Newton's
laws apply.

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Mellowed - 19 Dec 2005 18:47 GMT
I would like to provide a different opinion to your last paragraph.

Your statement would be true if all four wheels always had equal
braking.  But, that doesn't happen in real life.  Assume you are going
down slope on a icy road and approaching a stop sign.  You would want
all four wheel to provide equal braking to distribute the braking force
to all four wheels.  Now, imagine if just one wheel locked up (which
does happen).  Then the braking would be on just 3 wheels increasing the
braking requirement for the 3 wheels by 33%.  This process continues
until nothing works.

When in 4WD, no single wheel locks by itself.  All four wheels always
provide some braking.  All four wheels turn together.  If one locks up,
they all lock up.

I live in the mountains where 4WD braking is the only hope at one
intersection.  It is not just a matter of watching my speed.  Gravity is
pushing the vehicle.  Of course common sense must apply and 4WD does not
insure no problem.  The point is that 4WD braking is superior to non-4WD
braking on ice/snow.

: I would not engage it on a dry road, even for testing. A dirt or gravel road
: would be a good choice.
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gw - 19 Dec 2005 20:44 GMT
Point taken - technically, 4 wheel drive can provide braking advantages in
certain situations - if you have experience to back you up and you pay
attention to conditions. This does not help the "I'm invincible" 4x4 driver
who thinks that because they can get up to 70 by stomping on the go-pedal on
a snow-covered roadway, they can just as easily stop or turn. As the OP is a
self-proclaimed newbie, I offer this overconfidence as a common pitfall.

In my million plus miles of driving, the majority of stupid and avoidable
winter accidents I have seen (at least since the SUV craze started) involved
4x4's. Those with 2wd went slowly because they had to. Many with 4wd went
fast because they *could*, and I've seen too many pay the price.

> I would like to provide a different opinion to your last paragraph.
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Mellowed - 19 Dec 2005 21:20 GMT
You are absolutely right.  And, I understand your caution.  We see your
point every winter with what we call the ''flat lander's'' from the
valley below.  Every weekend all we here is sirens caused by visitors on
the icy roads.  Many of them SUV's trying to show how invincible they
are and trying to justify their 4WD.

: Point taken - technically, 4 wheel drive can provide braking advantages in
: certain situations - if you have experience to back you up and you pay
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coryrhonda - 25 Dec 2005 18:31 GMT
If you have a fully locking front and rear differential anlong with the
transfer dase in a for lock position (not with a viscous coupler) only then
if one wheel stops all 4 will stop.  Proven by many goverment and
aftermarket agencies that 4 wheel antilock brake systems are far superior to
even professionals on  non antilock systems.  In a fully locked 4WD system
you can't have abs

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The OTHER Kevin in San Diego - 31 Dec 2005 07:34 GMT
>I would not engage it on a dry road, even for testing. A dirt or gravel road
>would be a good choice.
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>when you can get moving in low-traction conditions. Ice is ice. Newton's
>laws apply.

Also watch out for understeer in corners with the front wheels
driving..  
David Geesaman - 19 Dec 2005 18:56 GMT
> Hi.
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> I've heard not to make turns with it engaged.  Would it hurt anything just
> to engage it and drive a mile or two to check things out?

   It comes down to 4WD does not equal AWD.  4WD should never be driven on
surfaces with good traction since the drivetrain will not allow all 4 wheels
to rotate at different speeds at the same time.  So any imbalance in wheel
size, tire pressure, turning, etc will cause torque in one wheel that must
now slip to release the stress in that axle.
   On snowy, slushy conditions it's no problem since the wheels are always
pawing at the snow.  But the better the traction, and the tighter the turns,
the more 4WD mode puts a beating on the drivetrain.
   I'm also a 4wd newbie, but last week I drove it in 4wd for a couple of
trips.  One trip I left it in 4wd the whole way, and on the others I simply
locked the hubs and kept a hand near the 4wd button.  Definitely I'll only
do it when there is not pavement showing, and you have to keep your speed
down since 4wd does not improve stopping distance or stupid drivers around
you.  Plus my gas mileage when from 12mpg to 8mpg when going from 2wd to
4wd.

   Dave

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