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2002 Ford Ranger Edge 3.0L gas mileage problem?

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Shakieh31 - 30 Dec 2005 05:37 GMT
I have a 2002 Ford Ranger Edge 3.0L. I am a little concerned about my
mpg due to the fact that I’m only getting about 100 miles to a half a
tank or roughly 200 to a full tank. On a 16 gallon tank, that averaged
out to be somewhere around 12 miles to the gallon. I know that can’t
be right and was looking for an opinion or advice as to what to
replace or check. I checked online and found that the mpg should be
17/22.  I have recently replaced the fuel filter and have lately been
running 89 in it. It only seems like it has improved a tiny bit. I
don’t accelerate hard, usually not over 2500 RPM. Any ideas as to what
could be wrong or what needs to be replaced? Thanks for all the help!
I really appreciate it!

                                                                     
       Tony
Scott - 30 Dec 2005 06:02 GMT
>I have a 2002 Ford Ranger Edge 3.0L. I am a little concerned about my
> mpg due to the fact that I'm only getting about 100 miles to a half a
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>        Tony

Hi,

I have an 03 with the 3.0 L and found around town mileage
to be poor also, maybe 13 or 14.
Highway is only about 20 mpg in good weather.
They all seem to get piss poor mileage.
I believed the damn sticker and thought it would get
around 17 in town, my old 4 cylinder Rangers did.
This engine will probably last forever but the mileage
really is shitty.
Reece Talley - 30 Dec 2005 08:43 GMT
Mine gets maybe 13-14 mpg in town and a steady 22 on the freeway. I drive
stop and go freeway about 60 miles each day. Add a tad of around town
driving and I get 21.4-21.9 mpg. I keep track of every drop of gas I use for
tax reasons so I know I'm dead on. It hasn't changed since I bought the
truck new in 02 about 50K miles ago.  Have you considered having the Oxy
Sensor checked and having the codes checked? A partially collapsed exhaust
might cause this too.

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R. J. Talley
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Mark Schofield - 30 Dec 2005 12:51 GMT
I have an 02 Ranger 4x4 4L V6. Around town about 13-15. However this is in
the colder weather -New Haven, CT -. Warmer weather I'll get another 2 mpg.
I've always been disappointed with the mileage I get. I keep my tires
overinflated, keep up with the maintenance, light on the pedal, ect.

>I have a 2002 Ford Ranger Edge 3.0L. I am a little concerned about my
> mpg due to the fact that I'm only getting about 100 miles to a half a
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>
>        Tony
pkurtz2 - 17 Jan 2006 04:48 GMT
Mark,
Keep in mind that OVERINFLATION of your tires will actually HURT your gas
milage. The reason for this is because it changes the "footprint" of the
tire on the road, or the amount of tire you have in contact with the road.
Overinflating tires lessens how much tire is on the road and contributes to
slip. The more slip you have, the worse milage you will get. The same goes
for UNDERinflated tires. Only with this, you have more tire on the road, and
causes the engine to do more work to keep it moving. Both conditions also
increase friction between the tire and road which will require more fuel. Go
with what it says on the door sticker for your tire pressure.
As far as my truck goes. I have a 2000 Ford Ranger 3.0L Flex Fuel with a
5spd trans, and 3.71 gears in the rear. I have had the truck since it had
100mi and it has 97000 now. I dont usually pay attention to my in town gas
milage, but when I was driving long trips on the highway I would get 20-22
on the highway. Keep in mind when driving around town, that the slower the
engine is turning when you shift, it requires taht much more fuel to provide
the horsepower to maintain speed. I drive down the streets in 4th gear at
30-35mph with rpms in the range of 1500-2000 rpms, and if I have to speed up
drastically then I downshift.

Hope this gives you some more insight..

>I have an 02 Ranger 4x4 4L V6. Around town about 13-15. However this is in
>the colder weather -New Haven, CT -. Warmer weather I'll get another 2 mpg.
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>>        Tony
Donut - 17 Jan 2006 08:32 GMT
>Mark,
>Keep in mind that OVERINFLATION of your tires will actually HURT your gas
>milage.

That seems counterintuitive.

>The reason for this is because it changes the "footprint" of the
>tire on the road, or the amount of tire you have in contact with the road.

I'm with you here. Less "footprint" equals less friction. Less
friction equals better milage.

>Overinflating tires lessens how much tire is on the road and contributes to
>slip. The more slip you have, the worse milage you will get.

This is where you lose me. Yes, if you have a lot of "slip" your
milage will suffer. But are you really saying that you *are* going to
have a lot of slip with (slightly to moderately) overinflated tires?
Under "normal driving conditions"?

Every time I've looked at milage competitions or solar car
competitions, invariably the winners had hard skinny tires, they
aren't going for comfort here. And a lot of times, just three wheels,
an easy way to get rid of 25% of the milage robbing friction in the
design :) I would be interested if you can prove them wrong.

>Go with what it says on the door sticker for your tire pressure.

Hard to argue with that, but there are "tweaks" we can try :)

Don

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pkurtz2 - 17 Jan 2006 17:54 GMT
Don,
I hear what you are saying, but lets look at a couple of other things. You
say "Under "normal driving conditions"?" and in return I say "What do you
consider normal driving conditions?" When you look at the fuel ratings on
car stickers, you get the milage that the car would get under "Normal
Conditions", but there is NO SUCH THING. If you look in the owners manual on
every car manufactured and read what normal driving conditions are, you will
find they dont exist. There is no place on earth that one can find "normal"
driving conditions. Now when you talk about the amount of slip on the tire
from an overpressurized tire then you have to take into account several
factors. Some of these would be speed, wind direction, wind speed, drag,
weight of the vehicle, etc, etc.... If you look at the electric cars that
race, the reason they only have 3 wheels is becuase they are extremely
light, and are balanced according to their design, this also helps cut down
on drag. If you can point out ONE electric (completely Electric) car on the
road today that is IDENTICAL to one of the cars that has raced in one of
those races then I will bow down, but I dont think you will. You will also
notice that those cars are designed to have no drag on them. Cars require a
certain amount of tire on the road to prevent slip, to the amount allowed by
the car designer because of the factors I have listed above, Especially when
it comes to trucks. The other thing you have to look at when it comes to
trucks, is that the drive wheels are on the rear of the vehicle, not the
front. This reduces the amount of down force on the drive tires, and
increases the amount of slip exponentially. So if you overinflate your
tires, especially on the rear of a truck, then you have increased the amount
of slip exponentially. The major problem with this is that roads are not
perfectly flat, thats why we have shock absorbers and moveable suspension,
and when you hit a bump, the rear of the vehicle comes down at a slower rate
than the front. This increases the amount of time that the front
(non-driven) wheels are on the ground, and the rear of the vehicle is in the
air.. Now if you reduce the amount of air in the rear tires, to specified
pressure, then the tires do part of the shock absorbers job, and thus the
rear tires stay in contact with the ground more, and have less slip.

I hope this answers any questions you have.

p.s. there is also slip created from the mechanical drag caused by the front
wheel bearings, brakes, 4X4(if applicable), the rear wheels have to push all
this, and overinflating them will also shorten tire life as well as reduce
gas milage.

>>Mark,
>>Keep in mind that OVERINFLATION of your tires will actually HURT your gas
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Donut - 18 Jan 2006 11:11 GMT
<top posting only because the auto student is>

pkurtz,

You are taking my examples *way* to literally. The reason I put
"normal driving conditions" in quotes is because I know there is no
such thing. How about average driving conditions?  You know, that
state it which the vehicle is most often driven, that work for you?

And when I referred to the three wheeler's, that was just another
example. So no, I wont be able to provide an identical car on the road
that you ask for. That was never my intention.

Your argument still falls flat (no pun intended) to me.

Harder tires (more inflation) equals better milage. Softer tires (less
inflation) equals worse milage. On average.

To take it to some extremes. If you are driving on ice, then an under
inflated tire may increase your milage, as it provides a bigger
footprint, thus more traction, and without traction, you'd be
slipping. Of course your milage would be way worse than normal, but
you might be able get somewhere.

On the other hand, if you are driving around in a place with little
precipitation, let alone the frozen kind, then a smaller footprint
would be good for your milage, and you *can* achieve this by
overinflating your tires.

Not saying you should, mind you, you do have to factor in the altered
wear. Higher risk of puncture, and most likely shortened life of the
tires. And of course, less foot print equals less effective braking.

I really just don't buy your argument that there would be significant
"slip". If your driving so fast that your vehicles tires are leaving
the road surface, then you aren't too worried about milage I'd guess
:) And even at moderate speeds, wouldn't inertia negate most of the
alleged "slip"?

You used the word "exponentially" twice. As that is a mathematical
term, and you are an auto student, I suppose you could produce the
study or research that provides those numbers. You probably have
easier access than I would, so I'd appreciate seeing them, or  links
to them.

And if you're curious about the comment I put at the top of this post
in <>'s... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting 

Don

>Don,
>I hear what you are saying, but lets look at a couple of other things. You
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>this, and overinflating them will also shorten tire life as well as reduce
>gas milage.

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pkurtz2 - 19 Jan 2006 13:24 GMT
> <top posting only because the auto student is>
>
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>
> Don

Don,
I appologize for top posting. I was unaware that it was a problem. The
reason I do it that way is because I believe that it makes for an easier
read, and if people are keeping current with the issue at hand, then it
should not be a problem. I understand that some older generations of Usenet
users won't like this, but I am not from that generation; however I try to
have consideration for others, so I hope this is better.
   As to your comment about research being easier for me to come up with,
well if I talk with my instructors then I am sure they can give me all the
material I need. However, thanks to the WorldWideWeb, the information that
you seek is at the hands of anyone with a computer. I just did a search five
minutes ago on "gas mileage research" and it came up with about a thousand
hits, and on the second one I looked at it actually said to follow
manufacturers specifications for tire inflation, both quoting over-inflation
and under-inflation as a source of fuel mileage loss. Keep in mind when
doing web searches though, some common sense applies, and websites that end
in .net or .org will tend to be the more trusted sites to have "good"
information. The sites that end in .com are usually commercially based, and
usually say things so that they can sell a product.
   As for producing the research I have read, I would have to go back 10yrs
to compile everything. I have picked up various bits of information by
reading material produced at shops that I have worked at, and through
information produced in the classes I have taken.
   Also, as you said "taking my examples *way* to literally". I can only
base my arguments on the "facts" which are given to me, and back up my
arguments based on that. If you had come up with different, more real world,
examples. Then I would have analyzed your argument and put it up against
what I have been taught, and read over the years. Then I would have either
agreed, or dismissed your argument and provided the information as to why.

Here are some links that I picked up off the net for you. I realize that the
first one ends in .com, but I think we can all trust CNN.. LOL
http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/01/Autos/tipsandadvice/gas_saving_test/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_per_gallon   I had a feeling you would
like this site, since you already used to inform me of my top posting.

Hope these fine useful. I did notice that only first one said anything about
over-inflating your tires. Anyway, have a good one, I have to get started on
a head gasket job now..

>>Don,
>>I hear what you are saying, but lets look at a couple of other things. You
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> <snip>
Donut - 20 Jan 2006 02:41 GMT
>> <top posting only because the auto student is>
>>
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>over-inflating your tires. Anyway, have a good one, I have to get started on
>a head gasket job now..

Hi.

"Keep in mind that OVERINFLATION of your tires will actually HURT your
gas milage. The reason for this is because it changes the "footprint"
of the tire on the road, or the amount of tire you have in contact
with the road. Overinflating tires lessens how much tire is on the
road and contributes to slip. The more slip you have, the worse milage
you will get."

And

"So if you overinflate your tires, especially on the rear of a truck,
then you have increased the amount of slip exponentially."

These are your statements that I'm having trouble with. The first
statement I believe is false. If you want to say that overinflation
(and we still haven't said by how many psi) will cause poor handling
or poor tire wear or less effective braking, then fine. But you are
saying that it will hurt your gas milage, and I've not seen you
produce any evidence that corroborate that statement as fact. As a
matter of fact, the first link you sent sorta hurts your argument.

The second statement: While I'm very well versed in how to search the
web, I was fairly certain it would be hard to find the same research
you were using to cite those exponentially numbers.  That's why I
asked you for it/them.

Remember, I'm only speaking to the issue of overinflated tires and
their effect on milage. You say it has a negative effect, ON MILAGE,
I say it doesn't.

Here's just a bit of stuff I found, one of them from you:

"Method: We drove the 55-mile test loop four times at 60 mph — twice
with tires at or above proper inflation. Once, we did the test with
the tires 5 psi below the pressure recommended by the manufacturer.
Since this produced very little difference we enlarged the gap and
under inflated the tires by 8 psi. We felt that it was important to
make sure the tires were inflated to the recommended level or above."
This from the link you sent.

http://money.cnn.edmunds.com/ownership/driving/articles/106842/article.html#test5

------------

"Good inflation: Drivers waste millions of gallons of fuel each year
due to under-inflated tires. Maintaining optimum tire inflation is one
of the best things you can do to increase fuel economy. Inflate your
tires to the upper limit of the manufacturer's recommendations."
http://www.autosite.com/content/research/index.cfm/action/showarticle/AID/135657
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"Harder tires present less rolling resistance and improve gas mileage;
therefore, the Buick Estate Wagon outperformed our expectations based
on our regression model, which did not account for tire inflation
pressure. In our model Tire Pressure is a lurking variable, variable
that seems to help in predicting gas mileage but is not included in
the model."
http://score.kings.k12.ca.us/lessons/wwwstats/lurking.variables.html
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"and keeping tires inflated to the maximum recommended pressure can
improve your gas mileage."

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/17-tips.pdf
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Me again.

I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone in an "official"
position suggesting that one "overinflate" one's tires past the
recommended maximum (due to liability), but they sure do seem to
suggest that you keep it as close as possible. But one wonders,
considering "Under-inflated tires can lower gas mileage by 0.4 percent
for every 1 psi drop in pressure of all four tires. Properly inflated
tires are safer and last longer." what every increase in psi (over the
recommended max) would bring?

Any way, I'm done with this discussion. Unless you can produce
evidence that shows  moderately over inflated tires decrease gas
milage, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Have fun with the Head Gasket :)

Don

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Rodan - 22 Jan 2006 04:42 GMT
....if underinflated tires lower gas mileage ..  how does it
follow that overinflated tires also decrease gas mileage?
_____________________________________________

pkurtz wrote:

...overinflation reduces gas mileage because it reduces
the footprint of the tire on the road and contributes
to slip.   The more slip, the worse mileage.  If you
overinflate your drive tires, especially on the light
weight of a truck rear, slip increases exponentially.
______________________________________________

Friction physics illustrates that slippage is independent of
the footprint area of the materials (pavement and rubber).
That is: F = U x N where F is the frictional force, N is the
downward force on the tire and U is the friction coefficient,
probably about 0.4 for pavement and rubber.   Contact
area is not a factor, because as contact area is reduced,
the unit pressure (tire force divided by footprint) increases
inversely to keep friction constant.

Almost all the energy loss in tires comes not from slippage,
but from flexing in the tire as it rolls.   The wasted energy
appears as heat you can feel by touching the tire instead
of as power for the car.   The higher the pressure, the higher
the mileage.   This is true for overinflation pressures as well,
so even dangerous overinflation will improve gas mileage, at
the risk of early wearout (from distorted treads) or blowout.

Rodan.
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gw - 30 Dec 2005 14:27 GMT
Something's up. I get 350-360 miles out of a tank with my 3.0.

>I have a 2002 Ford Ranger Edge 3.0L. I am a little concerned about my
> mpg due to the fact that I'm only getting about 100 miles to a half a
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>
>        Tony
Reece Talley - 30 Dec 2005 19:54 GMT
Yup, and that you should. 350-360 miles on a tank would be 21-22 mpg.

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R. J. Talley
Teacher/James Madison Fellow
NAR #69594
NRA #133073736

Lee - 30 Dec 2005 17:39 GMT
> I have a 2002 Ford Ranger Edge 3.0L. I am a little concerned about my
> mpg due to the fact that I'm only getting about 100 miles to a half a
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> could be wrong or what needs to be replaced? Thanks for all the help!
> I really appreciate it!

>         Tony

I'm driving a '99 Ranger 2WD five speed manual with the 3.0L flex fuel
engine. I've had the truck for two years and get between 18 and 24 mpg.
johanb - 31 Dec 2005 03:59 GMT
Did you check the obvious ??

Like air filter , spark plugs etc.

Running 98 might only make it worst because higher octane  burns slower and
your ignition will adjust itself to make up for it
never use higher octane to try and fix a problem

You also have to get a more reliable way to check fuel consumption, half a
tank is not 8 gallons.
Also class A fuel (Shell / Chevron) can drop your consumption with 1 to 2
miles a gallon city/highway

> I have a 2002 Ford Ranger Edge 3.0L. I am a little concerned about my
> mpg due to the fact that I'm only getting about 100 miles to a half a
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>
>         Tony
Charles B. Summers - 04 Jan 2006 18:55 GMT
These milages make me feel better about the 14mpg I'm getting from my 04
150, 5.4ltr....

>I have a 2002 Ford Ranger Edge 3.0L. I am a little concerned about my
> mpg due to the fact that I'm only getting about 100 miles to a half a
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>
>        Tony
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego - 05 Jan 2006 03:27 GMT
>These milages make me feel better about the 14mpg I'm getting from my 04
>150, 5.4ltr....

Not doing a thing for the 9mpg I'm getting from my '02 F350, 6.8l  :)
pkurtz2 - 17 Jan 2006 04:48 GMT
The problem is that it is a 6.9Ltr V-10. They suck on gas, you should have
went diesel and you could have gotten 12-14mpg city and 20-22 highway
unloaded. Sucks to get the wrong engine... That V-10 is only a v-6 with 4
cyl added on the back end.

> Not doing a thing for the 9mpg I'm getting from my '02 F350, 6.8l  :)
William Wixon - 05 Jan 2006 04:31 GMT
   yeah, me too.  i was UTTERLY DISGUSTED when i calculated my mpg after 6
months and 1048 miles of driving the vehicle ('05 Ranger Edge).  11.91 mpg.
sorry to say i too (stupidly) based my purchase on the estimated EPA/DOE
fuel use estimates on the window sticker (18/23).  i also figured i MUST'VE
made some miscalculation somehow/somewhere but your post(s) confirmed my
fears.  really made for a CRAPPY new year's weekend.  of course i knew the
dealer wouldn't/couldn't help, so i hadn't called them, called them today
hoping somehow they could so something, of course, nothing.  i am a VERY
conservative driver.  MOST conservative driver i know.  (everyone says
they're a SAFE driver, this is different.)  no jackrabbit starts, keep to
under 55, coast to a stop, RARELY use A/C, etc.  i was thinking "i'm gonna
get *24* mpg outta this baby!"  i guess that's why i was SO pissed off when
i calculated i was getting 11.91 mpg.
   i called my congressman today to ask him to support the AAA sponsored
bill in congress requesting updating EPA's fuel estimate testing procedures.
too late for me though.  i think it's OUTRAGEOUS they can put a sticker on a
vehicle and give people the impression that somehow that's an objective
estimate that is SO far from reality.  sticker says worst estimate was 15
mpg, i'm getting SUBSTANTIALLY worse than that.

b.w.

>I have a 2002 Ford Ranger Edge 3.0L. I am a little concerned about my
> mpg due to the fact that I’m only getting about 100 miles to a half a
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>
>        Tony
Reece Talley - 05 Jan 2006 06:31 GMT
Something still isn't right. While the mileage isn't stellar in these
trucks, it's not as bad as what you are getting.  Since it's out of warranty
the dealer will want payment to check it out but geez, there has got to be
something mechanically wrong...a dragging caliper an misaligned rear end, a
mild slip in the clutch a dragging drum in the rear, something.

Signature

R. J. Talley
Teacher/James Madison Fellow
NAR #69594
NRA #133073736

John Hill - 07 Jan 2006 18:46 GMT
After 48,000 miles my 2002 Ranger 4x4 4.0L automatic w/ 4.10 rear end
is getting 16.5 mpg  on average in 70/30 city/highway driving.
Variance is somewhere between 15-18 mpg depending on how I drive and
what I'm hauling.  Generally I do everything other than baby it when I
drive.  First few fillups returned around 13-14 mpg, but at around
1,300 miles it settled down to where it is now.

A friend's '03 Ranger Edge 3.0L 5-speed 2wd does get ~23 mpg after
30,000+ miles.

Your engine may just not be broken in yet -- give it some time.
Otherwise you might as well take it to the dealer.  It's under
warranty, have them look at it.

jh

>     yeah, me too.  i was UTTERLY DISGUSTED when i calculated my mpg after 6
> months and 1048 miles of driving the vehicle ('05 Ranger Edge).  11.91 mpg.
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> >
> >        Tony
pkurtz2 - 17 Jan 2006 04:54 GMT
I am with John on this one. It took about 30,000 to break my engine in. I
had a noticeable change in the amount of power and gas milage right away. It
will just happen one day, and you will notice it. ALSO, use Chevron Fuel
System Cleaner.. It sells at Wal-Mart for 5.97 a bottle. This will keep your
Fuel Injectors, Cylinders, and O2 sensor clean. If you have a flex fuel you
need to change that fuel filter once every 25000 for atleast the first 75000
miles, and it takes a special filter.. It has 3 tube connections on it.

> After 48,000 miles my 2002 Ranger 4x4 4.0L automatic w/ 4.10 rear end
> is getting 16.5 mpg  on average in 70/30 city/highway driving.
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>> >
>> >        Tony
William Wixon - 05 Mar 2006 03:21 GMT
i'm embarrassed to admit (after my previous post and much anguish and
hassle) that after driving two (17 gal.) tanks of fuel i'm getting 20.4 mpg,
oh, but, and very happy to admit too!!!

b.w.
 
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