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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / January 2006new tow vehicle
Hi all, I'm looking at buying a new truck to tow a fifth wheel... I'm thinking of they F250 crew cab 2x4 with the turbo diesel shortbed w/auto trans. Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks, Jeff > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jeff I have a 99 F350 Dually, which is essentially the same truck save springs. When we bough ours (used) we test drove a 250 extended cab 4x4 and the F350 crew 2x4. The 250 had the Lariat cab, and was manual opposed to the automatic on the 35o. Took the wife out in the 350 first, drove about 10-12 miles, then took out the 250. Did not get a mile down the road when she said I could turn it around. The 250 was louder and rougher ride. Personally, I would rather not have the Duals, as you are always having to watch your turns to be sure you can clear the 'pimples' in the back. As to load capacity, I have put two tone of gravel on it and it was like I did not even have a load. Pulled a 24ft hitch type trailer with a Ford 2n on it (approx 1.5 ton total), and again, very smooth operation, even going over some serious hills here in TN. whichever you buy, be religious about oil changes, and change the filter each time. My brother, brother-in-law, father and myself all run Rotella, and my brother-inlaw and myself run the MobileOne synthetic oil filter because of a finer particle filter size. My Brother-in-law recommends the K&M <? may be K&W) air filters. Gives you around 8 more horse at cruising RPM and less drag on the motor. He and my brother have both run these engines in excess of 300k miles. I have only had mine a year, but I put 42000 on top of the 99k it had when I bought it. I expect to have it when it rolls 400k >>Hi all, >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > 42000 on top of the 99k it had when I bought it. I expect to have it when > it rolls 400k You do not need a dualie to carry 2 tons effectively. I carry 2 tons of salt at times in my K3500 SRW with no issues at all and you do not really notice it in handling or breaking. As good sturdy 3/4 or 1 ton with proper engine and gearing can be a very seriuos tow vehicle and hauler.  Signature----------------- www.thesnoman.com The 250 will tow it all right, but the springs will sag. You will have to put overload springs on it to keep it level. Strongly suggest that you get the 350. : Hi all, : [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : : Jeff Pin weight on the fifth wheels can be very heavy (like a ton). The size of the trailer is a consideration in that, certainly. So it depends on how big the fifth wheeler is. In any case, it won't be a bad choice, but I agree with mellowed if the trailer is on the bigger end of the spectrum. The shortbeds don't have room for the trailer to jacknife when the pin is properly located, so most guys use a slider to move the hitch back when they need to do some drastic zig-zaggin. The cab on the crew cab is just incredible. Unbelieveably roomy. It's embarrassing almost. > The 250 will tow it all right, but the springs will sag. You will have > to put overload springs on it to keep it level. Strongly suggest that [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > : > : Jeff > The 250 will tow it all right, but the springs will sag. You will have > to put overload springs on it to keep it level. Strongly suggest that [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > : > : Jeff That is a load of crap! Depending on the year F-250 & F-350's often have the exact same springs! More often than not the physical differences are non existent and the weight rating differences are strictly on paper. Before I bought my new 2005 F-450 6.0-Liter Power Stroke Turbo Diesel, I towed a 9000 pound fifth wheel RV trailer and a 3 horse goose neck horse trailer many thousands of miles with an F-250 4x4 460 gas truck, and the only time the overloads touched their stops (you can see the clean spot on the rubber stop) was in the rarest occasions going over rough terrain. With a 1200 pound pin weight on the F-250, the rear was dropped about an inch, no where near touching the overload springs, and far from sagging the springs. I love my new F-450, and it's giant brakes, but the F-250 was more than up to the task... Gees, you are sure ignorant. : > The 250 will tow it all right, but the springs will sag. You will have : > to put overload springs on it to keep it level. Strongly suggest that [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] : I love my new F-450, and it's giant brakes, but the F-250 was more than up : to the task... > Gees, you are sure ignorant. I can prove what I say can you dumb a.s??? > : > The 250 will tow it all right, but the springs will sag. You will > have [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > than up > : to the task... I would welcome that. Please prove it. Keep in mind that the OP is referring to a 2005-2006 model year. The fact that you refer to a 460 engine states that you are not talking a new truck. Now, you are saying that the rear springs are exactly the same for a F250 as for an F350. Show us. Now, I called you ignorant, not dumb. Ignorant defines a lack of knowledge of a specific topic. Dumb implies that there is no hope of acquiring the knowledge. I still believe you to be just 'Ignorant'. Please don't prove that you are dumb. : > Gees, you are sure ignorant. : [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] : > than up : > : to the task... The original poster may well be referring to a 2005-2006 model year, but that has not been stated, and at this point is still only an assumption on your part. You evidently need to go back and reread all the posts, in order to refrain from appearing DUMB. "Depending on the year F-250 & F-350's often have the exact same springs! More often than not the physical differences are non existent and the weight rating differences are strictly on paper." For my edification, where does that mention a specific year? For that matter, "I'm looking at buying a new truck to tow a fifth wheel... I'm thinking of they F250 crew cab 2x4 with the turbo diesel shortbed w/auto trans. Any insight would be appreciated." Where does this original post mention a specific year? You are the only one that has said any thing specifically about a 2005-2006 model year. When you ask me to prove what I said, rather than some sh.t you made up, let me know... Gees, you are sure ignorant! > I would welcome that. Please prove it. Keep in mind that the OP is > referring to a 2005-2006 model year. The fact that you refer to a 460 [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > : > than up > : > : to the task... My goodness. You are a total waste. If the OP says that he is looking at a 'new' truck, do you really think he is referring to a 1985?? or something like that?? Wise up! : The original poster may well be referring to a 2005-2006 model year, but : that has not been stated, and at this point is still only an assumption on [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] : > : > than up : > : > : to the task... "The 250 will tow it all right, but the springs will sag." "Gees, you are sure ignorant!" LMFAO > My goodness. You are a total waste. If the OP says that he is looking > at a 'new' truck, do you really think he is referring to a 1985?? or [quoted text clipped - 113 lines] > : > : > than up > : > : > : to the task... If the springs sag, it is easily fixed by adding a leaf or two to each side because the frame, brakes and axle is the same as a F350 SRW. > "The 250 will tow it all right, but the springs will sag." > [quoted text clipped - 119 lines] >>: > : > than up >>: > : > : to the task... Signature----------------- www.thesnoman.com > I would welcome that. Please prove it. Keep in mind that the OP is > referring to a 2005-2006 model year. The fact that you refer to a 460 > engine states that you are not talking a new truck. Now, you are saying > that the rear springs are exactly the same for a F250 as for an F350. > Show us. not exactly current but my 93 F250 8800 lbs GVWR has exactly the same setup on the springs as a F350 around the same year (both of us had to add a leaf after 10 years hard labour) Fair enough. My reference point is the Super Duty line. My '99 350 4x4 CC with a 2300lb hitch weight rides level. However, my neighbor with a 2000 250 2x4 ext cab and a 1500 lb hitch weight had significant sag. He added air bags to level the ride. Starting with 2005, Ford has beefed up the chassis and springs at least on the 350. I don't know how the two compare starting with the 2005 model. : > I would welcome that. Please prove it. Keep in mind that the OP is : > referring to a 2005-2006 model year. The fact that you refer to a 460 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : around the same year (both of us had to add a leaf after : 10 years hard labour) You could get a F350 SRW or you could just add a leaf or two to the F250 because it has the same frame, brakes and rear axle as the 350 SRW. No need for a dualie here. > The 250 will tow it all right, but the springs will sag. You will have > to put overload springs on it to keep it level. Strongly suggest that [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > : > : Jeff Signature----------------- www.thesnoman.com Agreed. I tow my 5th wheel with a 350 SRW with no problems. My hitch weight is 2300 lbs. : You could get a F350 SRW or you could just add a leaf or two to the F250 : because it has the same frame, brakes and rear axle as the 350 SRW. No [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] : > : : > : Jeff > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jeff Whatever you get, if you get something with a short-bed, you will need a sliding fifth wheel hitch. If you don't have one you could damage the rear of the cab and the front of the trailer. The slider allows you to shift the hitch back so that in situations where you have to turn tight you will not hit the trailer. It slides forward for normal running so the weight is where it should be. Over and ever so slightly in front of the rear axle. Yes. I'm aware of that requirement...... But thanks for stating the point. >> Hi all, >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > not hit the trailer. It slides forward for normal running so the weight is > where it should be. Over and ever so slightly in front of the rear axle. >Hi all, > >I'm looking at buying a new truck to tow a fifth wheel... I'm thinking of >they F250 crew cab 2x4 with the turbo diesel shortbed w/auto trans. Any >insight would be appreciated. The F-250 will certainly pull the load. But I suspect your fifth wheel will overload an F-250, exceeding the truck's GVWR. Before you buy, you should calculate the weights and compare the calculated numbers with the truck's axle ratings, tire ratings, GVWR and GCVWR. Then you might want to ask your insurance agent about coverage when the vehicle is overloaded, if the math suggests you're anywhere close to being overweight. >Jeff Bob Just a quick thought, as I remember this past autumn camping with friends. One had a fifth wheel with a Dodge Cummins 2 wheel drive. It had rained quite a bit, and he had one hell of a time backing it into a grassy site, at a slight incline. And when it was time to hook up to leave, he played hell hooking up also. Drew quite a crowd watching, and also applause when he finaly hitched up. > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jeff > Just a quick thought, as I remember this past autumn camping with friends. > One had a fifth wheel with a Dodge Cummins 2 wheel drive. It had rained [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >>Jeff With the 1300 lbs plus engine up front this comes as no surprize. How do you think a truck that the front end that weighs far more than the rear end is going to back up a grassy slope anyway? Good point though because most that get oilburners do not consider the impact of the added weight up front on 2wd performance. Signature----------------- www.thesnoman.com Guys, Good point. Hadn't thought about that one..... Although, hadn't really considered "off-roading" the 5'er either.... ;) Most the camp sites/grounds I've seen in the past couple years have had either paved roads/sites or some type of gravel or crush-and-run site/road surface... Either way, thanks. Jeff >> Just a quick thought, as I remember this past autumn camping with >> friends. One had a fifth wheel with a Dodge Cummins 2 wheel drive. It had [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > most that get oilburners do not consider the impact of the added weight up > front on 2wd performance. True, as a matter of fact, the owner of the campground remarked that he means to gravel those particular spots in '06. > Guys, > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> most that get oilburners do not consider the impact of the added weight >> up front on 2wd performance. |
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