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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / January 2006

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6.0 PS real-world fuel economy

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Matthew Macchiarolo - 06 Jan 2006 21:15 GMT
Hi all,

Interested in anyone's experience in the 6.0 diesel economy. Looking to get
a new truck and would like user's info. Couldn't find what I needed with
Google.

Thanks in advance

Matt
351CJ - 06 Jan 2006 22:13 GMT
> Hi all,
>
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>
> Matt

Hey Matt,

2005 F-450 Crew Cab 4x4 loaded Lariat duel rear wheel, the absolute heaviest
you can order an F-450 at, with a Pro-tech Aluminum Flat Bed.  This truck
weighs in a just over 9500 pounds with 50+ gallons of diesel and no load,
just me in it.  That is in the neighborhood of a ton and a half heavier than
a 2005 F-350.  It has 4.30/1 (The tallest available in the F-450) final
gears and a 6 speed manual transmission.  This truck now has 20,000 miles on
it and most of that has been towing.

Without checking my logbook, I will share the following.

Best non-towing empty highway mileage is 15.2 MPG on a 350 mile round trip,
generally get 14.2 MPG mixed highway at 65-70 MPH and local stop & go
driving.

Towing between 5,000-10,000 pounds depending on the trailer, mileage is as
low as 10.3 MPG at 75 MPH+ and as good as 13.5+ MPG at under 60 MPH.

Vastly better than the old gas 460 powered F-250 it replaced.  Most guys I
talk to with the new 2005/2006 F-250/F-350's 6.0 diesels are claiming 17-19
empty on the highway.  I ask damn near everyone I see.

The pulling power is outstanding!  ZERO problems and absolutely No
disappointments.

Good luck with your new Powerstroke.
Matt Macchiarolo - 07 Jan 2006 02:42 GMT
Thanks, actually looking at an Explurgin'. :-)

>> Hi all,
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> Good luck with your new Powerstroke.
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego - 07 Jan 2006 03:36 GMT
>Thanks, actually looking at an Explurgin'. :-)

Me too.  Since shutting down my biz back in October of '03, I've got
almost no use for a truck, but I need towing and family (and assorted
crappola) hauling capability...   The 'scursion seems to foot that
bill very nicely...
David Geesaman - 07 Jan 2006 14:22 GMT
> Thanks, actually looking at an Explurgin'. :-)

    Don't you mean an Excretion?

    Dave
Matthew Macchiarolo - 07 Jan 2006 15:28 GMT
Only when it needs a fluid change. :-)

>> Thanks, actually looking at an Explurgin'. :-)
>
> Don't you mean an Excretion?
>
> Dave
Shabtai Evan - 07 Jan 2006 07:38 GMT
I've got a F250 6.L 2003.
I'm getting 14mpg mixed stop and go, some freeway.
I'm getting 20 mpg on just freeway.  These are non-tow miles

Shabtai

> Hi all,
>
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> Matt
Advocate - 07 Jan 2006 18:24 GMT
> Hi all,
>
> Interested in anyone's experience in the 6.0 diesel economy. Looking to
> get a new truck and would like user's info. Couldn't find what I needed
> with Google.

I've owned a diesel vehicle in the past and will most likely again in the
future. Here is my take the whole diesel v. gas compairson:

Don't buy a diesel for the fuel savings only...If you don't *need* the
massive torque you probably shouldn't buy one. The Ford V10 is an
outstanding engine that will pull anything that needs pulling plus will get
fairly decent fuel mileage (14-15 not towing on the highway). Diesel fuel is
quite expensive, plus if you live in a northern climate fuel geling is
always a factor. It's no damn fun when it's -30 degrees f and you have two
children in the truck and your engine stops...I've had that happen when
using both winter mix fuel and an additive. The new diesels are pretty good
starters in cold weather but cannot compare to the gas engines when it comes
to cold weather use.

If you aren't going to be regularly pulling a 32 foot travel trailer, you
probably don't need a diesel Excursion.
351CJ - 07 Jan 2006 19:20 GMT
>> Hi all,
>>
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> If you aren't going to be regularly pulling a 32 foot travel trailer, you
> probably don't need a diesel Excursion.

I really have never liked the idea of the old (dirty, stinky, noisy) diesels
in automotive/light truck applications.  Diesels sure have come a long way
from their dirty, noisy, smokey beginnings.  These new diesels aren't your
Daddies diesels.

I am so happy with my 05 6.0 liter turbo diesel, this is my first diesel.  I
am so glad I took the plunge and did not order my new truck with a gas V-10
at 2/3 the torque and half the fuel mileage.

If ford offered a turbo diesel car I would buy it.

Have you seen Fords new little V6 brother to the 6.0 liter turbo diesel?  If
they started putting this engine in there 1/2 trucks I would buy one.
- 4.5L Power Stroke V6 Turbo Diesel engine with 200 hp at 2650 rpm and 440
lb.-ft. of torque at 1850 rpm -
Have a look here:
https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/2006fleetshowroom/2006-LCF.asp
http://fordfleetvehicles.com/

Diesel engines are renowned for their durability, lasting hundreds of
thousands of miles twice as long as gasoline engines.
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego - 07 Jan 2006 20:13 GMT
>The Ford V10 is an
>outstanding engine that will pull anything that needs pulling plus will get
>fairly decent fuel mileage (14-15 not towing on the highway).

Maybe in a short bed, 2wd truck and a stiff tailwind...    I did once
get 12 MPG on a 7 hour trek back from Arizona when I consciously kept
the RPMs at 2k and below for the entire but it typically hovers around
10-11 on the freeway.  (Then again mine's a 4wd, long bed, crew cab
4x4.  with a 6" lift and 35" tires...heheh)
Advocate - 08 Jan 2006 03:17 GMT
>>The Ford V10 is an
>>outstanding engine that will pull anything that needs pulling plus will
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> 10-11 on the freeway.  (Then again mine's a 4wd, long bed, crew cab
> 4x4.  with a 6" lift and 35" tires...heheh)

Er, no...we were discussing the Ford Excursion, remember?
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego - 08 Jan 2006 07:58 GMT
>>>The Ford V10 is an
>>>outstanding engine that will pull anything that needs pulling plus will
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>Er, no...we were discussing the Ford Excursion, remember?

Yes, I'm aware of that.  I doubt an Excursion with a V10 would get
14-15mpg on the highway.  My sister's 2wd diesel Excursion doesn't get
anywhere close to that.
Matthew Macchiarolo - 07 Jan 2006 20:41 GMT
I have almost 70K on my 02 F250 Crewcab v10. I regularly tow a flatbed
trailer with a Jeep on it, probably 7000#. I'm lucky if I get 8mpg towing,
12 unloaded.

Looking at an Excursion because with three kids and two dogs there isn't
enough room in the crew cab.

>> Hi all,
>>
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> If you aren't going to be regularly pulling a 32 foot travel trailer, you
> probably don't need a diesel Excursion.
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego - 08 Jan 2006 07:56 GMT
>I have almost 70K on my 02 F250 Crewcab v10. I regularly tow a flatbed
>trailer with a Jeep on it, probably 7000#. I'm lucky if I get 8mpg towing,
>12 unloaded.
>
>Looking at an Excursion because with three kids and two dogs there isn't
>enough room in the crew cab.

Exactly why I'm looking at one.  ('cept for the dogs)  Drove from here
in SD to Yosemite after Christmas in the F350.  Not as comfortable as
it could have been...
Todd - 07 Jan 2006 20:27 GMT
> Hi all,
>
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>
> Matt

I own a Ford 2004 F350 with the 6.0 diesel. I pull a 32' trailer. I love
the power and the transmission in haul mode is awesome. I have 45,000 Mi
and still have half the brake pads left. I get about 17-18 MPG highway
not towing and about 12-13 towing. I usually stay about 60-65 MPH. I
have had no problems at all with this truck.
Ron and Diane - 08 Jan 2006 00:27 GMT
2006 F250 crewcab, 4WD short bed

5200 miles  15.2mpg

1st diesel and it's great.
Matt Macchiarolo - 09 Jan 2006 23:22 GMT
Picked it up today. '05 Excursion Eddie Bauer, quad captain's chairs, 6.0L
PS. Very cool. They even took back the wife's lease on the Freestar a couple
months early.

> 2006 F250 crewcab, 4WD short bed
>
> 5200 miles  15.2mpg
>
> 1st diesel and it's great.
351CJ - 09 Jan 2006 23:59 GMT
> Picked it up today. '05 Excursion Eddie Bauer, quad captain's chairs, 6.0L
> PS. Very cool. They even took back the wife's lease on the Freestar a
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>>
>> 1st diesel and it's great.

Congratulations!

Isn't that Powerstroke 6.0 liter turbo diesel a kick in the pants?
Matt Macchiarolo - 10 Jan 2006 12:22 GMT
What's hard to get used to is when I gas the v10, it revs higher to get up
to freeway speeds, so it's screaming and you expect it to be when
accelerating like that.

The PS barely gets above 2000rpm and before I know it I'm doing 80.

:-)

>> Picked it up today. '05 Excursion Eddie Bauer, quad captain's chairs,
>> 6.0L PS. Very cool. They even took back the wife's lease on the Freestar
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Isn't that Powerstroke 6.0 liter turbo diesel a kick in the pants?
351CJ - 10 Jan 2006 19:13 GMT
> What's hard to get used to is when I gas the v10, it revs higher to get up
> to freeway speeds, so it's screaming and you expect it to be when
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>>
>> Isn't that Powerstroke 6.0 liter turbo diesel a kick in the pants?

FYI:

Drivers of SUVs Saving Big Money with Diesel Engines by: ARA Content

(ARA) - Half of all American vacationers on the road this year are driving
gas guzzling SUVs and pickup trucks, according to a new survey on driving
habits from research firm MarketFacts. These bigger vehicles burn high
amounts of fuel, which not only puts a dent in drivers' wallets, but also
increases the country's dependence on foreign oil. Ironically, the
MarketFacts study shows that fuel economy is an important issue for SUV and
pickup drivers.

According to automotive experts, standard gasoline engines can't efficiently
handle the weight of the larger -- and very popular -- SUVs and pickup
trucks. There is an alternative, however, for drivers of big vehicles to
consider: diesel engines.

Diesel engines like the Power Stroke Diesel in Ford F-Series Super Duty
pickups are specifically made to provide better mileage -- 30 percent in
most cases -- and have more pulling power than gas engines, which is why
they are especially popular among those hauling camping gear or towing
boats, RVs and horse trailers.

"People love big trucks for a lot of great reasons, but running a gas engine
in them is like trying to heat a hotel with a small home furnace. You're
going to burn way too much fuel and you still won't get the power you really
need," said Patrick Charbonneau, chief technical officer, Engine Group,
International Truck and Engine Corporation. "Diesel engines produce more
power than gasoline engines because diesel fuel itself has more energy. And
today's diesel engines are electronically controlled to boost performance
and fuel efficiency."

However, the study found that despite diesel's known benefits, many
Americans are resistant because they still have a negative perception of
these engines, recalling the noisy and odorous diesel engines of the '70s.
Industry experts dispel these myths saying today's diesel engines are
greatly improved -- running quietly and not producing odors or smoke.

Major automakers in the United States have taken an interest in diesel power
predominantly because of the success of diesels in Europe. "Over 30 percent
of the passenger cars in Europe are now diesel, and the main reason is fuel
economy," said Charbonneau. "The Big Three know fuel economy is keenly
important here in North America."

Currently in the United States, diesel engines are an option over the
standard gasoline engines, adding a few thousand dollars to the cost of a
new vehicle. Although buying a diesel engine is a higher monetary investment
initially, automakers say diesel engines make up this cost difference within
just three years from fuel savings alone. Diesel engines also add greater
resale value to pickups and SUVs due to their longevity.

Industry insiders believe that in 20 years, 30 percent of the passenger
cars, sport utilities and pickups in America will use diesel engines because
of fuel efficiency and near zero emissions capabilities. According to the
Department of Energy, if diesels reach even a percent of their potential
penetration by 2020, the country could conserve as much as 700,000 barrels
of fuel per day -- half the energy used daily by the state of California.

For more information, click on the link below.

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The OTHER Kevin in San Diego - 12 Jan 2006 00:09 GMT
>What's hard to get used to is when I gas the v10, it revs higher to get up
>to freeway speeds, so it's screaming and you expect it to be when
>accelerating like that.
>
> The PS barely gets above 2000rpm and before I know it I'm doing 80.

Torque is a wonderful thing, ain't it??
 
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