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FW: 2003 F250 V10 Dual Exhaust / Performance chip

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JWats - 04 Mar 2006 05:24 GMT
-----Original Message-----
From: JWats [mailto:somewhere@gulfcoast]
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:16 PM
To: alt.ford.trucks
Subject: 2003 F250 V10 Dual Exhaust / Performance chip

Took my truck to a muffler shop recently to have duals installed. The
guy talked me out of it saying the sounds from two they have recently
done on v-10s were not very well liked by the owners. He said the
complaint was instead of getting that "throaty" sound most of us want,
he got a higher pitched sound resembling something on a 4 cylinder. He
used magnaflows.

I still want duals. Anyone know of great sounding mufflers for my V-10?

Also, what about a performance chip for this vehicle? Any
recommendations?
SnoMan - 04 Mar 2006 11:35 GMT
>-----Original Message-----
>From: JWats [mailto:somewhere@gulfcoast]
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>Also, what about a performance chip for this vehicle? Any
>recommendations?

They were correct about the sound, it does not sound like you think it
should at all. I would suggest that you consider a single muffler with
dual outlets to give you the dual look and a  better sound than
straight duals and also a little better power as well particularly in
lower RPM responce and power because true duals can cut power and MPG
there not help it.
JWats - 04 Mar 2006 14:22 GMT
Using a single muffler with dual outlets was the option he spoke of that
sounded bad. I'm thinking surely there is a muffler out there
manufactured by someone for the v-10 application. Hope so
anyway.........

The shop wouldn't even consider straight duals because of the legalities
surrounding the cat converter.

> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: JWats [mailto:somewhere@gulfcoast]
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> lower RPM responce and power because true duals can cut power and MPG
> there not help it.
RCE - 04 Mar 2006 15:06 GMT
> Using a single muffler with dual outlets was the option he spoke of that
> sounded bad. I'm thinking surely there is a muffler out there manufactured
> by someone for the v-10 application. Hope so anyway.........

JWats,

I responded to your question in another NG, but I'll repeat it here for you
to consider:

The problem is that a V10 - any V10 - does not have the distinctive
"pop-pop-pop" timing sound of a V8. A V10 is much smoother and produces a
sound more like a purr.  Dual exhausts and low restriction mufflers will
just make the smooth, purr sound louder.

There *are* performance exhaust systems for the Ford V10 that are supposed
to reduce backpressure, but you can't hide the sound.

RCE
SnoMan - 04 Mar 2006 18:47 GMT
>> Using a single muffler with dual outlets was the option he spoke of that
>> sounded bad. I'm thinking surely there is a muffler out there manufactured
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>RCE

It is not just that as the Ford V10 sounds a lot different than Dodge
V10 with duals. (it has to do with port/valve size and timing and
exhaust manifold design too) The dodge does not sound too bad while
you have to hear the Ford to believe it as it can sound really weird
and unpleasnt. A dual outlet muffler is really your best beat here.
There is no magic muffler out there otherwise that will fix it and
make it sound like a V8.
Jeepers - 25 Apr 2006 03:01 GMT
> It is not just that as the Ford V10 sounds a lot different than Dodge
> V10 with duals. (it has to do with port/valve size and timing and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> There is no magic muffler out there otherwise that will fix it and
> make it sound like a V8.

The dynaflow on my v-10 and single pipe sound really good. I can't wait
to get into the city so I can hear it up against the barriers or
buildings. I am disappointed to hear that the duals would suck, thanks
guys, I was leaning towards the duals.

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Mellowed - 04 Mar 2006 15:15 GMT
Flowmaster is the muffler of choice in this area.

: -----Original Message-----
: From: JWats [mailto:somewhere@gulfcoast]
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
: Also, what about a performance chip for this vehicle? Any
: recommendations?
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego - 04 Mar 2006 17:57 GMT
>Flowmaster is the muffler of choice in this area.

A BIG one.  My local guy has done a bunch of V10s here in the area,
but he doesn't do duals.  He replumbs the exhaust from the manifolds
back with 3" pipe and builds a custom "Y" pipe to join the two
manifolds up right before the Cat.  He adds a high performance cat and
a big flowmaster before dmping the exhaust out at the original
location.  He says there's no way to get a decent sound out of the V10
and you'll never get a good rumble like out of a V8.  (I wonder how
Dodge got the Viper to sound like that?)  I've considered the change
on my '02 for quite a while, but something else always comes up that
eats into my "truck/toy" budget.  hehe

I know people who have done the Banks Power Pack with their torque
tube manifolds (headers) on  V10s and it doesn't rumble.  I know a guy
with a Kenne Bell supercharger and the JBA shorty headers on his with
3" duals/Flowmasters and it doesn't rumble.  Another with a Paxton
centrigugal supercharger and the 3" setup above and it doesn't rumble.

Assuming 2000 RPM at cruise, a V8 would produce about 266 exhaust
pulses per second
A V10 at the same speed would produce aboiut 333 per second.

Single or dual the exhaust pulses would be the same so the pitch of
the V10's exhaust note would be higher in any case.

Personally, I'm looking for better flow than a "cool" exhaust tone.
I'd opt for whatever gave me the best performance.
SnoMan - 04 Mar 2006 18:52 GMT
>  He says there's no way to get a decent sound out of the V10
>and you'll never get a good rumble like out of a V8.  (I wonder how
>Dodge got the Viper to sound like that?)  I've considered the change
>on my '02 for quite a while, but something else always comes up that
>eats into my "truck/toy" budget.  hehe

There is a big difference with Dodge V10 as it has a lot more
displacement AND it is a uneven fire engine which mellows out the V10
sound a lot

>Single or dual the exhaust pulses would be the same so the pitch of
>the V10's exhaust note would be higher in any case.

No so because how the sound interacts with other sound pulse/shock
waves has a effect on the sound as well and the Foed V10 sounds better
when they is more interaction between banks and cylinders.
 
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