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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / June 2006

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Distance between wheelwells - older trucks

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JohnR66 - 08 Jun 2006 01:30 GMT
I have an 04 Ranger with a rack to carry sheet materials for my business.
Some sheets come in an odd sizes of 51x100 inches. With the rack I bult, I
can carry this easy. Problem is, I would like to haul a couple thousand
pounds at once. I've done 900 pound in the Ranger with no problem, but 1 ton
is over the load limit, plus it is up on the rack that clears the wheel
wells. I'm looking for an older truck that is wide enough to carry the
material on the bed floor. The older F150/250 is not wide enough to handle
this. Just short buy less than one inch. Argh!
Thanks
Whitelightning - 08 Jun 2006 03:51 GMT
I havea feeling you will have to get back to the early 80's or even the 70's
to get a truck with enough distance between the wheel wells.  If your
looking to haul 1 ton of material on a regular basis, don't even look at the
F150  Look at the F250 camper specials, or F350's, unless you like doing
brakes and  replacing calipers and rotors a lot.
Idiots who want cars that look like trucks have ruined the light truck
market. One can only
hope that the high cost of fuel will correct this horrible trend.

Whitelightning
JohnR66 - 10 Jun 2006 04:40 GMT
> I havea feeling you will have to get back to the early 80's or even the
> 70's
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>
> Whitelightning

What bugs me is these full sized p'ups with only 5.5 foot beds. One dealer
had no 8' bed F150s, only F250s. If someone wanted a lower cost truck with
more than 6.5', it is the 7 foot bed ranger or nothing.

The F250 is a bit costly for what I was needing. I don't have far to haul,
once a month 5 miles from the supplier. Mainly city streets so I can drive
slower. I'm working with the supplier to see if they will deliver and I get
help unloading! The stuff is plexiglas sheets I use for my fabricating
business. 4x8 foot sheets only 10" high stack weighs 2000 pounds!
John
woodee - 10 Jun 2006 14:36 GMT
why is there no other option that a 'style-side' as we call them ? I saw
a new F250 extra cab (whatever the official name for it is) with a 8'
tray. The most common is a steel base with aluminium drop-down sides.

woodee

>>I havea feeling you will have to get back to the early 80's or even the
>>70's
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> business. 4x8 foot sheets only 10" high stack weighs 2000 pounds!
> John
Jeff Strickland - 11 Jun 2006 01:20 GMT
>> I havea feeling you will have to get back to the early 80's or even the
>> 70's
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> had no 8' bed F150s, only F250s. If someone wanted a lower cost truck with
> more than 6.5', it is the 7 foot bed ranger or nothing.

Your dealer is full of sh.t. You can get a standard cab F150 (half-ton, by
the way) with a long bed that measures either 7 or 8 ft.(I forget which, and
only one or the other can be had). The 5.5 ft bed comes on the 4-door cab
pick ups, and you can not get the long bed in those trucks.

> The F250 is a bit costly for what I was needing. I don't have far to haul,
> once a month 5 miles from the supplier. Mainly city streets so I can drive
> slower. I'm working with the supplier to see if they will deliver and I
> get help unloading! The stuff is plexiglas sheets I use for my fabricating
> business. 4x8 foot sheets only 10" high stack weighs 2000 pounds!
> John

An over loaded truck is an overloaded truck, no matter how far you're going.
If you happen to wreck your truck, and another car or two, the over loaded
truck will cost you way more than you saved on getting a lesser truck. You
need a 1-ton truck if you need to haul 2000 pounds.
JohnR66 - 11 Jun 2006 04:36 GMT
>>> I havea feeling you will have to get back to the early 80's or even the
>>> 70's
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> loaded truck will cost you way more than you saved on getting a lesser
> truck. You need a 1-ton truck if you need to haul 2000 pounds.

I must be missing something. From an 02 catalog, the standard cab F150 has a
Max payload of 3150lbs. This weight includes the passengers and fuel. Why
wouldn't the F150 be able to handle the load? What does 1 ton truck mean? is
that an axle loading thing?
Please educate me! John
David M - 11 Jun 2006 07:51 GMT
>>>> I havea feeling you will have to get back to the early 80's or even the
>>>> 70's
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> that an axle loading thing?
> Please educate me! John

It doesn't mean anything, anymore.  The payload & axle ratings determine
the capacity.

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Joe - 12 Jun 2006 02:12 GMT
>> truck. You need a 1-ton truck if you need to haul 2000 pounds.
>>
> I must be missing something. From an 02 catalog, the standard cab F150 has
> a Max payload of 3150lbs. This weight includes the passengers and fuel.
> Why wouldn't the F150 be able to handle the load? What does 1 ton truck
> mean?

It doesn't mean anything. You should try to avoid thinking in terms of "one
ton truck".  That's a very badly outdated concept.

In 1940, a one ton truck would carry one ton.  Not any more.  These days,
you could put a ton on a toyota.
woodee - 08 Jun 2006 11:00 GMT
you could replace the carrying tray on your truck. I have a F350 with
what we call a tray back. 8' wide by 10' long chequer plate tray with
10" tall fold down sides and rear. It is a very common configuration
here in oz.

woodee

> I have an 04 Ranger with a rack to carry sheet materials for my business.
> Some sheets come in an odd sizes of 51x100 inches. With the rack I bult, I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> this. Just short buy less than one inch. Argh!
> Thanks
lugnut - 08 Jun 2006 11:37 GMT
>I have an 04 Ranger with a rack to carry sheet materials for my business.
>Some sheets come in an odd sizes of 51x100 inches. With the rack I bult, I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>this. Just short buy less than one inch. Argh!
>Thanks

IIRC, all of the F series beds were diminsionally the same
from 1980-96.  I think the earlier models were narrower
since they typically had narrower axles.  Your most cost
effective solution may be to get a trailer with brakes which
would be my choice because of the easier loading/unloading
especially if this is not an everyday task.

Lugnut
Jeff Strickland - 11 Jun 2006 01:14 GMT
I'm confused. All models of the F Series trucks are wider than any Ranger
that was ever built.

Have you thought of building a rack that could carry the sheet metal on
edge, like they carry glass? It seems to me that the load you want to carry
is top-heavy, and yo need to find a way to get the COG much lower.

>I have an 04 Ranger with a rack to carry sheet materials for my business.
>Some sheets come in an odd sizes of 51x100 inches. With the rack I bult, I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>this. Just short buy less than one inch. Argh!
> Thanks
lugnut - 11 Jun 2006 05:30 GMT
>I'm confused. All models of the F Series trucks are wider than any Ranger
>that was ever built.

What he has now is a Ranger with a rack built to elevate his
load above the level of the fenders to accommodate the width
ot his product.  He is sometimes overloading his current
truck with weight.  He is looking for a truck that can
handle both the weight and carry his product flat on the
floor between the wheel wells instead of a rack over the
wheel wells.

>Have you thought of building a rack that could carry the sheet metal on
>edge, like they carry glass? It seems to me that the load you want to carry
>is top-heavy, and yo need to find a way to get the COG much lower.

Lowering the CG is exactly why he wants to haul the weight
flat on the floor if he can find a vehicle wide enough.

Lugnut

>>I have an 04 Ranger with a rack to carry sheet materials for my business.
>>Some sheets come in an odd sizes of 51x100 inches. With the rack I bult, I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>this. Just short buy less than one inch. Argh!
>> Thanks
Jeff Strickland - 11 Jun 2006 18:02 GMT
>>I'm confused. All models of the F Series trucks are wider than any Ranger
>>that was ever built.
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>
> Lugnut

Okay, now all 8 are firing. The space between the wheel wells is only about
49 inches, enough to carry a 4X8 sheet of plywood, but not enough to carry
his load. He likes Fords, and has a Ranger, but wants a Full Size, but the
wheel wells are not far enough apart.

Seems to me that he's a candidate for a flat bed truck where he can mount
tool boxes on the sides. This will solve lots of problems all at the same
time.
lugnut - 11 Jun 2006 20:15 GMT
>>>I'm confused. All models of the F Series trucks are wider than any Ranger
>>>that was ever built.
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>tool boxes on the sides. This will solve lots of problems all at the same
>time.

I don't know that even a flatbed would accomplish this.
Most I see in my neck of the woods have the bed level well
above the tires and probably as hig as the load would be in
his ranger or other vehicle with a rack to raise the load.
I have seen a couple of utlility bodies built with the bed
lower but, they have wheel wells to accommodate the tires.
As such they are not true flatbeds.  Those wheel wells may
not be far enough apart to offer much help.  I still think
the best solution for an occasional load like this that must
be hauled would be a 5x10 or larger trailer with brakes.  He
still has full use of the truck between loads.

Lugnut
Jeff Strickland - 14 Jun 2006 04:45 GMT
>>>>I'm confused. All models of the F Series trucks are wider than any
>>>>Ranger
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>
> Lugnut

Yeah, the trailer would solve a lot of problems. Of course, he'd have to
learn how to drive it, and that creates it's own sets of problems unless
he's already been over that bridge.

Dually! That'll do it. Let's have him buy a new dually flatbed. ;-)
 
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