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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / June 2006

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2004 F150 Trailer Tow Hitch (slightly broken)

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sleepdog@optonline.net - 12 Jun 2006 16:03 GMT
I got rear-ended a few weeks ago in traffic and the impact broke the
two bumper brackets welded to the two-hitch, the ones underneath the
footwell where the license plate is mounted.  You can't see the bolts
with the footpad installed.

Insurance claim is in the works, but just curious once I get the new
trailer hitch if the old trailer hitch would be good to anybody.
Except for the two brackets the rest of it, harness, etc. everything
else is fine.  I figure someone with some cutting and welding tools
could probably make good use of it if they didn't have a hitch on their
truck.  Fabbing and welding a couple of brackets would be in order.

Any thoughts, is this piece worth salvaging or should I just forget it
altogether?  Given the price of a new two-hitch I thought it might make
someones day.

Thanks
SnoMan - 12 Jun 2006 20:32 GMT
>I got rear-ended a few weeks ago in traffic and the impact broke the
>two bumper brackets welded to the two-hitch, the ones underneath the
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>
>Thanks

Tuffcall because you do not know what other damage or crakc may be
present that you cannot see. Best to scrap it I think.
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sleepdog@optonline.net - 13 Jun 2006 14:13 GMT
> Tuffcall because you do not know what other damage or crakc may be
> present that you cannot see. Best to scrap it I think.
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> The SnoMan
> www.thesnoman.com

Well maybe conservatively, but if you look at the thickness of the
steel on a two hitch you get a great idea of how sturdy these things
are.  And the brackets I think were designed to give way on a rear end
collision.

Thanks
David F. Mishiwiec Sr. - 12 Jun 2006 22:38 GMT
There should be no reason why even a modest welder couldn't salvage that
hitch.

> I got rear-ended a few weeks ago in traffic and the impact broke the
> two bumper brackets welded to the two-hitch, the ones underneath the
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>
> Thanks

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SnoMan - 12 Jun 2006 23:55 GMT
>There should be no reason why even a modest welder couldn't salvage that
>hitch.

I still disagree. It is not the damage you can see that is a concern
to repair, it is what you cannot see.
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Stephen N. - 13 Jun 2006 00:23 GMT
>>There should be no reason why even a modest welder couldn't salvage that
>>hitch.
>
> I still disagree. It is not the damage you can see that is a concern
> to repair, it is what you cannot see.

I'm with you on this one.  Besides, it really isn't worth spending money
to have a broken one repaired.  You can buy a decent class IV hitch for
not much more than a hundred bucks.  Why bother taking the chance?

Stephen N.
Whitelightning - 13 Jun 2006 04:26 GMT
> I'm with you on this one.  Besides, it really isn't worth spending money
> to have a broken one repaired.  You can buy a decent class IV hitch for
> not much more than a hundred bucks.  Why bother taking the chance?
>
> Stephen N.

Penny smart and pound foolish.  Used to get people coming into the shop
wanting to
buy $20 dollar tires for their boat trailers, after all they would say
"their just for the boat
trailer", to which I would ask, "How much is the boat worth?"  falls in the
same category.

Whitelightning
djdave - 13 Jun 2006 05:33 GMT
As a welder, I disagree.
A hitch is made of steel. Steel shows damage easy. Usually, steel
bends, not breaks. Welds break. A decent welder could referb the hitch
if need be.

I haul a 10k plus trailer for work about 30 times a year, I've had to
replace the tongue on the trailer once due to a mva, I had no doubts
when I cut off the old one and stick welded a new one on.

>> I'm with you on this one.  Besides, it really isn't worth spending money
>> to have a broken one repaired.  You can buy a decent class IV hitch for
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>Whitelightning
SnoMan - 15 Jun 2006 18:37 GMT
>As a welder, I disagree.
>A hitch is made of steel. Steel shows damage easy. Usually, steel
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>replace the tongue on the trailer once due to a mva, I had no doubts
>when I cut off the old one and stick welded a new one on.

As a guy with a engineering back ground that has seen a lot of NDI
tests over the years (Non Destructive Inspection) I have seen a lot of
good looking parts prove to be bad from hidden cracks that are
undetecable otherwise. Being that this hitch was in a wreck and they
are not that expensive to get a new one, why waste the time not to
mention that if you weld it and it fails and someone is hurt they
could come after you and clean your clock and bank account when they
found you used or welded a hitch that had been in a wreck and unless
you have some records of some valid NDI tests on the part to support
your claims that it was good, your goose is cooked. Why set yourself
up?  
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sleepdog@optonline.net - 15 Jun 2006 21:03 GMT
> As a guy with a engineering back ground that has seen a lot of NDI
> tests over the years (Non Destructive Inspection) I have seen a lot of
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> your claims that it was good, your goose is cooked. Why set yourself
> up?

All valid points.  The hitch will be removed from the vehicle when it
is replaced and can be inspected.  They cost over $400 new, so not
exactly cheap.  The "wreck" in question was about a 10-15 mph
rear-ender.  Not much of a collision.  The steel on the hitch is almost
1/4" thick.

Again, the impact on the bumper broke off the two bumper mount brackets
welded to the hitch, by design.  The hitch itself was not touched by
anything but the bolts mounted through the bumper footwell shearing
through the mounts on impact.
SnoMan - 15 Jun 2006 23:56 GMT
>> As a guy with a engineering back ground that has seen a lot of NDI
>> tests over the years (Non Destructive Inspection) I have seen a lot of
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>anything but the bolts mounted through the bumper footwell shearing
>through the mounts on impact.

I understand but sometime sudden shocks are harder on parts thana slow
steady overload. I may be alright but in today world with some of the
shark lawyers out there it just is not worth it.
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Mark Jones - 16 Jun 2006 01:27 GMT
>>> As a guy with a engineering back ground that has seen a lot of NDI
>>> tests over the years (Non Destructive Inspection) I have seen a lot
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> shark lawyers out there it just is not worth it.
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My 2004 F-150 4x4 was recently rear-ended and they replaced the
bumper and the entire receiver hitch. Like you said, it is better to
install a new receiver instead of finding out too late that there was
some hidden damage.

I just got back from several days of camping and everything worked
fine. The repair technicians did a really good reapir job.
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego - 16 Jun 2006 05:13 GMT
>> As a guy with a engineering back ground that has seen a lot of NDI
>> tests over the years (Non Destructive Inspection) I have seen a lot of
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>rear-ender.  Not much of a collision.  The steel on the hitch is almost
>1/4" thick.

Yikes.  I bought a new OEM hitch, bumper, bumper frame, trailer wiring
harness, bumper cover and license plate lights for less than $900
total out the door after being rear-ended October of 2004.  I'm pretty
sure the hitch didn't cost almost half of that.  In my case I was hit
while at a stop light by some guy doing an estimated 45mph at the time
of the collision.  His poor Honda Odyssey did not survive.  :)
 
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