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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / July 2006

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Battery Charging - Is a Disconnect Necessary?

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Jay Alperson - 28 Jun 2006 20:47 GMT
Hi,

A quick question on charging batteries.  I have a 2001 E350 with 2
batteries--1 regular one for the engine, and a deep discharge one for the
RV.  Is it OK to charge both at once without disconnecting them from the
usual wiring?  If this is OK, should the charger be set for deep discharge
or regular?

In the past, I have always disconnected 1 lead from each battery, so that
the charger current only goes to 1 battery at a time, and cannot go across
the alternator...

Am I too paranoid?
Whitelightning - 28 Jun 2006 23:40 GMT
> Hi,
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> Am I too paranoid?

No not at all. Is this rig parked where it gets full sun during the day?
If so look into a solar panel, check RV shops and boat shops, especially
those catering to sail, and some of the larger truck stops as well.  I have
one
the cell size is 6" by 18" designed to be sewn onto the sail cover, I had
sewed into the canvas cover on my bass boat..  Puts out 1.5 -3 amps. Newer
ones are capable of higher, but I have found this is adequate to keep three
deep cycles charged.   With an rv you can use a solid one, and just lay it
on the dash, they make them that plug in to the cigarette lighter.
Silicon Solar is one outfit

Whitelightning
SnoMan - 29 Jun 2006 01:50 GMT
>> Hi,
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>Whitelightning

You way will not get 1.5 to 3 amps at 14 volts out of a 6 x 18 inch
cell. No way, put a amp meter and you will find maybe 600 to 900
milliamps or a bit more.  It will take a lot bigger cell to make 3
amps.  Also there is no problem about charging them in parallel as
long as they are both newer style battieries. Back when maintainance
free first came out and the older style lead acids where still around,
you did not want to hook them together all the time or charge them
together either as the newer battieries have a bit higher charging
voltage and cutoff.
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The SnoMan
www.thesnoman.com
Eisboch - 29 Jun 2006 12:01 GMT
>>> Hi,
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> voltage and cutoff.
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I agree with you ... he would need a 50 watt solar panel (min) to get that
kind of current and only on bright, sunny days. A 50 watt panel is going to
be about 1 foot wide by almost 3 feet long.

He may want to consider adding a battery isolator.  There are devices that
sense the difference in the voltage of two batteries and automatically
connect the lower of the two to the charger.  I had an RV based on a E-450
chassis that was set up like this. While driving, the alternator charged
both the engine battery and the two, 6 volt in series RV "house" battery as
determined by the isolator.  When parked and hooked up to shore power, the
built-in RV charger would charge to house battery, isolating the engine
battery unless it's voltage dropped for some reason.

Eisboch
SnoMan - 29 Jun 2006 12:18 GMT
>He may want to consider adding a battery isolator.  There are devices that
>sense the difference in the voltage of two batteries and automatically
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>built-in RV charger would charge to house battery, isolating the engine
>battery unless it's voltage dropped for some reason.

This is a good sound suggestion :)
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The SnoMan
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Stephen N. - 04 Jul 2006 05:58 GMT
>>>>Hi,
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> Eisboch

Battery isolators are generally just two diodes set into a heat sink.
The diodes direct current from the charger or alternator into each of
the batteries but prevents reverse flow when one battery is at a lower
voltage.  That means you can run the house battery in an RV flat and the
start battery will not be discharged.

There is the small matter of the forward bias voltage across the diode,
.5 volts or so but charge source voltages are usually high enough to
still charge the batteries fully.  They are a very simple three terminal
device and can be installed by the average handyman.

Stephen N.
Jeff Strickland - 30 Jun 2006 04:58 GMT
The coach battery ought to be isolated from the chassis battery.

> Hi,
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> Am I too paranoid?
 
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