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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / August 2006

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critter30002@hotmail.com - 27 Jul 2006 00:25 GMT
i seriously need to get rid of my '05 f-150 but the trade in is only
$22,000 and the rest is $9,700. how do i get out of this mess. love the
truck but its gotta go. gas is expensive and i really dont need a four
door truck livin in an apartment complexe in florida. ANYONE
PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! some advice would be great right now.
Agave - 27 Jul 2006 01:10 GMT
> i seriously need to get rid of my '05 f-150 but the trade in is only
> $22,000 and the rest is $9,700. how do i get out of this mess. love the
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A shoot from the hip idea...it may be worth more in ranch/farm/truck
country...OK, TX, etc.
SnoMan - 27 Jul 2006 01:25 GMT
>> i seriously need to get rid of my '05 f-150 but the trade in is only
>> $22,000 and the rest is $9,700. how do i get out of this mess. love the
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>A shoot from the hip idea...it may be worth more in ranch/farm/truck
>country...OK, TX, etc.

Doubtfull there as a 1/2 ton. Might try selling it outright  and may
make a bit more that way but those are hard sells today and it will
only get worse. You have to ask yourself do you keep it or take the
loss on a trade in for something cheaper to drive because there is no
easy escape here.  You will lose money selling it and loose money
keeping it because it will keep depreciaiting as you pay for it and it
will take another dump in value when 07's are out. Either keep it a
long time or cut further looses and dump it now. The choice is yours.
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Agave - 27 Jul 2006 01:48 GMT
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Sorry...to clarify...not as a ranch/farm work vehicle, but simply as a
going to church or daily driver for daughter, son, mom, grandma, etc.  
Heck, with more justification I'd buy an F150 just so I could park
closer to the entrance of a store.

But you're right, the OP really has to do the math and figure out if the
MPG increase of the new vehicle purchase will offset the loss from the
sale or continued ownership of the current truck.
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MW - 27 Jul 2006 17:38 GMT
> i seriously need to get rid of my '05 f-150 but the trade in is only
> $22,000 and the rest is $9,700. how do i get out of this mess. love the
> truck but its gotta go. gas is expensive and i really dont need a four
> door truck livin in an apartment complexe in florida. ANYONE
> PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! some advice would be great right now.

Selling it privately for at least what you owe on it? Is that not likely to
sell - anyone?

MW
gw - 27 Jul 2006 19:15 GMT
>> i seriously need to get rid of my '05 f-150 but the trade in is only
>> $22,000 and the rest is $9,700. how do i get out of this mess. love the
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> MW

Sounds like s/he is upside-down already, assuming trade-in is $22,000 and
"the rest" $9,700 is the balance on the note. Not likely to sell it for
$31,700. I may have misunderstood. In any case, there is no way to get
ahead - or break even - unless you can find a real sucker.
J.C. - 27 Jul 2006 20:36 GMT
>>> i seriously need to get rid of my '05 f-150 but the trade in is only
>>> $22,000 and the rest is $9,700. how do i get out of this mess. love the
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> $31,700. I may have misunderstood. In any case, there is no way to get
> ahead - or break even - unless you can find a real sucker.

When you get yourself into this mess, you will usually find the real sucker
in the mirror. I'm the son of a car dealer and a retired car dealer myself.
You have two choices in getting out of it. You trade down and take your
hickey and consider it a lesson well learned, and hopefully never forget it.
Or, you can trade your way down. What you do is place an ad offerring to
trade down just a year or maybe even to just a cheaper model. And you keep
doing that until you're even. It takes a little time, but it can be done.
There is always another sucker and if you make his trading up look
attractive he will usually take the bait. Of course you have to have the
co-operation of the lending agency or agencies.

I have always found that people come out way ahead by trading down and out.
Trade down for whatever old junker you can get that will get you completely
out of your vehicle. Drive the junker for awhile and save up the RECOMMENDED
20% down and start over. Just remember, 20% down and no more than 40 months
on the financing will usually keep you out of the "upside down" position. Of
course you've got to buy right too and that means no more than $300.00 over
invoice and DON'T TRADE IN YOUR CAR! The dealer usually makes a minimum of
$2500.00 on your trade(you can too!), $2000.00 on your financing, $500.00 on
Mop & Glow and undercoat, and 3% of the window sticker price if you buy
right at invoice.

If I was advising young people today on transportation I would advise them
to assume the attitude that they are going to be making car payments for the
rest of their lives. So, instead of getting screwed up in deals that you
don't know what you are doing, just go lease a car, KNOWING THE MILEAGE
LIMITATIONS AND THE WEAR AND TEAR LIMITATIONS AND THE INSURANCE
REQUIREMENTS. Then, you get a new car every year, 2 years, 3 years or
whatever you chose but the smart thing is to just lease for whatever the new
car warranty period is. That way, you've always got a new car under
warranty. BUT READ AND UNDERSTAND THE LEASE AGREEMENT BEFORE YOU ACT. IF YOU
HAVE QUESTIONS, ASK. And, here's a little trick. Dealers like to lease
because, in most states, they do not have to disclose the sales price the
lease is based on. But, they must disclose the sales tax. So, simply divide
the dollar amount of the sales tax by the tax rate and you'll get the sales
price they base the lease on and if it's more than $300.00 over invoice,
tell them to kiss off. For instance, in Texas $20,000.00 vehicle, sales tax
is .0625%. The dollar amount of the sales tax would be $1250.00. Divide
$1250.00 by .0625 and you get $20,000.00.

That's your car lesson for the day. Print it out and keep it.

A car dealer is entitled to make a profit and he must to stay in business,
but you are entitled to know as much about the deal as the dealer does.

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J.C.

ajeeperman@comcast.net - 28 Jul 2006 03:19 GMT
or just keep it and buy gas with the money saved
old john

>>>> i seriously need to get rid of my '05 f-150 but the trade in is only
>>>> $22,000 and the rest is $9,700. how do i get out of this mess. love the
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> A car dealer is entitled to make a profit and he must to stay in business,
> but you are entitled to know as much about the deal as the dealer does.
SnoMan - 28 Jul 2006 03:59 GMT
>or just keep it and buy gas with the money saved

Not sure what you would save long term though because you will bleed
either way and if you drive alot you will bleed less if you get
something that is truly more economical to drive as fuel prices will
only go higher in future.
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Matt Macchiarolo - 30 Jul 2006 15:26 GMT
Now's a bad time for trucks/SUV's, the demand is down because of fuel costs.

>> i seriously need to get rid of my '05 f-150 but the trade in is only
>> $22,000 and the rest is $9,700. how do i get out of this mess. love the
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>
> MW
SnoMan - 30 Jul 2006 16:51 GMT
>Now's a bad time for trucks/SUV's, the demand is down because of fuel costs.

Quite honestly it may be a good time in that if fuel prices go higher
(and they will the only question is when) they will be even harder to
sell and the value of it will be lower still. I look for the SUV
market to basically colapse in the next few years like the large car
market did in the early 80's. If you drive one of those things a few
thousand miles a month at today fuel prices you can easily be making a
combined 1000 buck fuel and SUV payment and that has some people
rethinking them.
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Joe - 01 Aug 2006 04:10 GMT
>>Now's a bad time for trucks/SUV's, the demand is down because of fuel
>>costs.
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> The SnoMan
> www.thesnoman.com

Gas has still got room to run, and it'll definitely go on up until people
start conserving. I see a lot of little cars on the road, but I'm still
almost never out of site of a Suburban.  Most people wouldn't use more than
1000 gallons of gas in a year, so at current prices that's only $3000 a year
per driver.  It could go up a lot higher before it starts really hurting.

So, OP, it's unlikely that the current price of gas is really hurting you
anywhere near how bad this trade is going to hurt. If you double your gas
mileage, you'll save (do the math) $1500 a year?  That's not going to buy
anybody a car.

They plan to make a big profit on your trade, whether gas is high or not.
You might do better with an outright sale.  In the final analysis, though,
if the $22,000 is not enough to justify getting rid of it, you'll just have
to keep it.
Whitelightning - 02 Aug 2006 00:10 GMT
> Gas has still got room to run, and it'll definitely go on up until people
> start conserving. I see a lot of little cars on the road, but I'm still
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> if the $22,000 is not enough to justify getting rid of it, you'll just have
> to keep it.

The over looked, and oft times unasked question, can I save enough in gas to
justify a car payment if the gas guzzler is paid for?

Whitelightning
 
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