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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / November 200662 F100 Engine Sawp
Does anyone know if there is a complete swap kit from the 223 3-speed to a 289 4-speed (or a 351C)? Not just motor/trans mounts but the various linkages, alternator, radiator? Thanks! >Does anyone know if there is a complete > swap kit from the 223 3-speed to a 289 > 4-speed (or a 351C)? Not just > motor/trans mounts but the various > linkages, alternator, radiator? This should be a good project. I don't know of any kits, but I suggest you go to FordTrucks dot com and ask on that forum. You should get some good info/advice from those folks. Dave S(Texas) > >Does anyone know if there is a complete > > swap kit from the 223 3-speed to a 289 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Dave S(Texas) It will be a nice project, but I doubt there is going to be a kit available. First question that comes to mind is how is the tranny mounted? My old ford van didnt have a rear tranny mount, the engine had four mounts, two at the bell housing area. The beauty of a framed vehicle is making a crosmember to mount a tranny isnt that hard, and can be done with simple hand tools, or a 3 piece universal crossmember from someplace like Advanced Adaptors. The engine mounts for a 289 should still be available. Forget the 351C, the front end isnt going to handle it, unless you can find a spring shop to build you some new springs, and I would be looking for a f-250 to swap the front axle, bigger king pins and bushing. . Since the 289 will be shorter than the 233, wiring harness wont be an issue. Because the throttle linkage is exactly that, linkage, it can be made from threaded rod. As for shift linkage, its going to be a custom, your probably going to put buckets in it, and move the fuel tank from in the cab to under the bed, so B&M floor shift. Radiator, 65 ford Mustang should work, Modine has a four core model that will more then cool it. while your at it, drum brakes are fine, these things had nice meaty drums and hefty shoes, but that master cylinder has to go, its time to move to a tandom design, which ford started using in 66 or 67. Might as well add a power booster too. Whitelightning >>> Does anyone know if there is a complete >>> swap kit from the 223 3-speed to a 289 [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Whitelightning Thank you for this excellent info - any issues with switching to an alternator from a generator - or could the generator be kept? Mine, like yours, does not have trans mounts at the rear of the box ... >Thank you for this excellent info - any issues with switching to an >alternator from a generator - or could the generator be kept? Mine, like >yours, does not have trans mounts at the rear of the box ... How about looking around for a a old 292 or 332 V8 that was native to that truck? Now that would be a cool project. The 292 was only a 2 bbl in 62 and a 2 or 4bbl in 63. The 332 was either a 2 or 4 bbl in 62. There was also a 302 back then but not same 302 as today at all. (the 302 as we know it today was born in 68) It was discontinued after 63 and had a 3.625 bore with a 3.66 stroke. It shared blocks and cranks with the 332, only the bores were different. Ford had a 401, a 477 and a 534 back in 62 for trucks too. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >> Thank you for this excellent info - any issues with switching to an >> alternator from a generator - or could the generator be kept? Mine, like [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com Well, I have a 289 - but, I have heard good things about the 292 - one prob is that parts for the 223 are not always easy to find - but parts for a 289 are common because there was so many more made... how is it getting parts for a 292? My service manual has info on that old 302 ... >Well, I have a 289 - but, I have heard good things about the 292 - one >prob is that parts for the 223 are not always easy to find - but parts >for a 289 are common because there was so many more made... how is it >getting parts for a 292? My service manual has info on that old 302 ... I understand that having the engine is a part of it but you have a old classic truck and sometimes it is worth the effort to make it the way it was back then and a old restored V8 of the era would be cool. I have not heard any bad about the design of those engines. It is likely that bad rumors were started because any 292 today is over 40 years old and if it has not been properly rebuilt it would not take any abuse at all for long and hence they would blame the engine. Engines of that era where well built and if rebuilt I doubt you would have any problems with it. Same with 6's. With todays truck rage to have a 62 with a 62 style drive train would be realy something. As far as parts, you might not be able to get them at AutoZone but I have little doubt that you could find them reasonably priced with a little searching. In my book people are too quick to put a modern engine in old vehicals and given the rarity of some of them, extra effect should be made to keep them as stock like as possible and it would also add to their overall value as well. If I was redoing a old truck be it a Ford, Dodge or Chevy, I would try to uses stock type parts in it (drive trains of that era) to ehance their rarity. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com My uncle had a 64 F100. He blew the factory 289 and put in a 352 from a wrecked Galaxy 500. But he kept the original 3 speed on the column. Years later He blew the 352 and put in a 390 from another wreck car. But that was years ago and I was too young to know what parts he had to scavenge to make everything work. I kinda wish the old truck was still in the family. The 64 had a single line master cylinder, the main line once burst while backing the boat down a steep boat ramp. The truck's front tires were in the water before Dad go it in to 1st gear and drove it out. I was in the boat during the launch, very EXCITING. > Does anyone know if there is a complete swap kit from the 223 3-speed to > a 289 4-speed (or a 351C)? Not just motor/trans mounts but the various > linkages, alternator, radiator? Thanks! >My uncle had a 64 F100. He blew the factory 289 and put in a 352 from a >wrecked Galaxy 500. But he kept the original 3 speed on the column. Ford never had a 289 in 64 in a truck as it first appeared in 66. If it was stock it was a 292 or 332 V8. If it real was a 289, it did not come from the factory. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com 292 sounds correct, I guess I had my numbers mixed up. > >My uncle had a 64 F100. He blew the factory 289 and put in a 352 from a > >wrecked Galaxy 500. But he kept the original 3 speed on the column. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com >>My uncle had a 64 F100. He blew the factory 289 and put in a 352 from a >>wrecked Galaxy 500. But he kept the original 3 speed on the column. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com But then, there are those of us that cheat ..... :-) (302 Mustang GT in a '55 F-100) http://www.eisboch.com/engine.jpg http://www.eisboch.com/55completedtruck.jpg Eisboch > My uncle had a 64 F100. He blew the factory 289 and put in a 352 from a > wrecked Galaxy 500. But he kept the original 3 speed on the column. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> a 289 4-speed (or a 351C)? Not just motor/trans mounts but the various >> linkages, alternator, radiator? Thanks! Wow, thats a heck of a story with the brakes lol - I guess thats why they switched to dual masters lol |
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