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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / October 2006

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Stephen N. - 12 Oct 2006 01:53 GMT
When I am on gravel roads I usually don't use the 4x4 until I think I
need it.  I was travelling with another truck this weekend on some roads
that went ranged from flattish gravel to fairly steep and rocky.  I was
still able to get up most of the hills in 2WD but a friend was using his
4X4 the whole time and in 4LO much of the time.

His idea was that it was easier on the drivetrain to spread out the
torque over both differentials and that it was easier on the engine and
tranny in LO.  Even a small amount of slippage puts shock and stress on
the drivetrain when the wheel spins and then stops.

All that makes sense to me, I think I have always tried to save the 4x4
for when I need it but maybe I haven't been thinking correctly about it.

So, when do you guys put the truck in 4x4 and 4LO and why?

Stephen N.--->and yes, it was hella fun.
JimV - 12 Oct 2006 02:03 GMT
> When I am on gravel roads I usually don't use the 4x4 until I think I
> need it.  I was travelling with another truck this weekend on some roads
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> Stephen N.--->and yes, it was hella fun.

I use low range when pulling my boat out of the water or driving in soft
sand or mud. No harm in using it or not. Better to not get stuck though.
SnoMan - 12 Oct 2006 02:55 GMT
>I use low range when pulling my boat out of the water or driving in soft
>sand or mud. No harm in using it or not. Better to not get stuck though.

Been driving 4x4's for over 35 years and I always go as far as I can
in 2wd and then when that fails I use 4x4 and proceed with caution.
Also be aware of the fact that when you are in 4x4 you have very
little skid control becuase wheel will all be turning as same speed
even though they take different rolling radious paths in a skid and
since they are force to the same speed the break traction with ground
and with it your directional control. You are not hurting anything is
2wd hi unless you are having to slip clutch a lot or ride torque
converter excessively to maintain motion.
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JimV - 12 Oct 2006 03:07 GMT
> Also be aware of the fact that when you are in 4x4 you have very
> little skid control becuase wheel will all be turning as same speed
> even though they take different rolling radious paths in a skid and

That's not true unless you have front and rear locking differentials
which most do not.
SnoMan - 12 Oct 2006 13:52 GMT
>That's not true unless you have front and rear locking differentials
>which most do not.

You are in error. When you turn the wheels must assume different
gorund paths of different lengths and when they are locked in 4x4 even
with open diffs they cannot do so. Simply physics here. 4x4 is
designed to be used on a loose surface so some slippage can occur.
Some vehicals have come with fulltime 4x4 (I have a old Jeep with
Quadratrac) that have a differentail between front and rear axle to
negate this problem. Just put you 4x4 in 4x4 in a paved surface and
start to ,ake a tight turn and see how quickly it binds up from this
because there is no slippage to relieve torque bind from different
rolling radius between axle and wheels.  
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Joe - 12 Oct 2006 05:49 GMT
> When I am on gravel roads I usually don't use the 4x4 until I think I need
> it.  I was travelling with another truck this weekend on some roads that
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> over both differentials and that it was easier on the engine and tranny in
> LO.

If you've got a central differential, that'll work. If not, it's quite the
opposite, really. Regular old part-time 4WD (where you have a centrally
locked differential) allows you to build up torque on one axle and send it
to the other. This is called "windup" and of course it is caused by the
difference in speeds in the front and rear end. This difference is
inevitable.  You've probably heard of it, where it everybody told you not to
use 4WD on dry pavement (or you read it in the owner's manual) because
you'll break something and blah blah blah.  "Breaking something" is not
caused by spreading torque out.  It's caused by piling on lots of extra
torque from someplace else. The someplace else is the buildup of opposing
torques between one axle and the other.

On gravels, of course, it doesn't make any difference.  If both axles are
spinning, then you can spread out the torque in centrally locked 4WD.
That's the only time.
Tom Levigne - 13 Oct 2006 00:41 GMT
I just keep it in 4X4 most of the time unless I know I can't get stuck then
I use 2x2.

> When I am on gravel roads I usually don't use the 4x4 until I think I need
> it.  I was travelling with another truck this weekend on some roads that
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> Stephen N.--->and yes, it was hella fun.
Matt Macchiarolo - 13 Oct 2006 05:30 GMT
Which side do you balance on two wheels?

>I just keep it in 4X4 most of the time unless I know I can't get stuck then
>I use 2x2.
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>> Stephen N.--->and yes, it was hella fun.
 
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