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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / October 2006Source for Water Filled Ballast For 8' Bed
I've been searching for this item for some time....it is a bladder that you fill with water to keep in the bed of your truck to add weight (400lbs) for plowing. I saw it in some catalog last spring but I just can't remember whose it was...anyone have a source for this? Thanks, Norm >I've been searching for this item for some time....it is a bladder that >you fill with water to keep in the bed of your truck to add weight >(400lbs) for plowing. I saw it in some catalog last spring but I just >can't remember whose it was...anyone have a source for this? Thanks, >Norm I recently saw it in a of road magazine but I would have serious reservations about using in for plow ballast as I would not want a 400 block of ice in a bag in the back of my truck when plowing wanting to scoot around because it is frozen. I have used tube sand for years that is double wrapped to keep moisture out so it never freezes and then place a wood frame around it that prevent them from skidimg foward and I also place a platform over that so I can load salt and whatever into bed and alway have a minimum ballast of around 600 lbs. The only way i would consider a bladder would be if it was filled with a solution that would not freeze (about fifty jugs of cheap winsheld washer fluid would fill it up and do the trick here but tube sand would do same for a lot less) ----------------- TheSnoMan.com > I've been searching for this item for some time....it is a bladder that > you fill with water to keep in the bed of your truck to add weight > (400lbs) for plowing. I saw it in some catalog last spring but I just > can't remember whose it was...anyone have a source for this? Thanks, > Norm I think most people use a tube of sand. It seems like "tube sand" would be a decent internet search term. > I've been searching for this item for some time....it is a bladder that > you fill with water to keep in the bed of your truck to add weight > (400lbs) for plowing. I saw it in some catalog last spring but I just > can't remember whose it was...anyone have a source for this? Thanks, > Norm water bladders: http://www.interstateproducts.com/all_tanks.htm?gclid=CMPz15SygogCFQ0BHgodUSIrHw #sizecap sand tubes/ bags: http://www.commercialbagsupply.com/sandbags.asp http://daybag.com/industrial/sand_bags.html (Towards the bottom of the page) Personally, I think I'd opt for the sand tubes instead of the water. As stated in another post, that big of an ice cube sliding around could be scary. Good luck! SC Tom > I've been searching for this item for some time....it is a bladder that > you fill with water to keep in the bed of your truck to add weight > (400lbs) for plowing. I saw it in some catalog last spring but I just > can't remember whose it was...anyone have a source for this? Thanks, > Norm How about an old waterbed mattress? Al > I've been searching for this item for some time....it is a bladder that > you fill with water to keep in the bed of your truck to add weight > (400lbs) for plowing. I saw it in some catalog last spring but I just > can't remember whose it was...anyone have a source for this? Thanks, > Norm Here is one at JC Whitneys <http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Product/tf-Browse/s-10101/Pr-p_Product.CATENT RY_ID:2011066/p-2011066/N-111+10714+600000600/c-10614/TID-8042328> > I've been searching for this item for some time....it is a bladder that > you fill with water to keep in the bed of your truck to add weight > (400lbs) for plowing. I saw it in some catalog last spring but I just > can't remember whose it was...anyone have a source for this? Thanks, > Norm the water ballast tubes actually tie down at the four corners and don't move around, they're easy to fill and drain, and easy to store in the off season. Most are divided into section to prevent weight shift, and they're tuff enough so that you can still load stuff on top of them in a pinch http://www.shurtrax.com/full.asp >>I've been searching for this item for some time....it is a bladder that >>you fill with water to keep in the bed of your truck to add weight [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > http://www.shurtrax.com/full.asp So, what do you do if you want to take tehm out? Maybe let the truck sit in a heated garage for a week or wait until spring? Sandbags are the best in my opinion because they are easy to load and unload and sand can be a very useful thing to have in wintery conditions. It should be part of the winter kit, along with boots, extra clothes and something to eat should you breakdown or get stuck somewhere. Even getting stuck in the city in a good snow storm can result in many hours walk home. Stpehen---> knows this first hand... >>>I've been searching for this item for some time....it is a bladder that >>>you fill with water to keep in the bed of your truck to add weight [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > So, what do you do if you want to take tehm out? Maybe let the truck sit > in a heated garage for a week or wait until spring? Just LIFT it out with your: 1. front end loader 2. engine hoist 3. come-a-long 4.block & tackle Or if you are disadvantaged, and have no access to any of that, just tie the damn thing to a tree and drive forward... Thanx for the responses guys, this is the site I was looking for! I'll order it and post my experiences with it soon! Norm > >> http://www.shurtrax.com/full.asp >Thanx for the responses guys, this is the site I was looking for! >I'll order it and post my experiences with it soon! >Norm >> >> >> >> http://www.shurtrax.com/full.asp Driving around with a 400 plus lb block of ice held in place by a few tie downs (it is going to want to skid around big time frozen) He will figure it out the hard way I guess. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>Thanx for the responses guys, this is the site I was looking for! >>I'll order it and post my experiences with it soon! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com Hum, a few straps is all most 80,000 pound over the road loads have holding them in place, I wonder how they do that. I just moved 8000 pounds of wood pellets in 200 slippery plastic 50 pound bags, 180 miles, secured to a Flatbed with only a few straps holding them in place, they didn't skid around at all. > Hum, a few straps is all most 80,000 pound over the road loads have holding > them in place, I wonder how they do that. I just moved 8000 pounds of wood > pellets in 200 slippery plastic 50 pound bags, 180 miles, secured to a > Flatbed with only a few straps holding them in place, they didn't skid > around at all. I think there is a big difference between a 4 inch wide strap rated to 10,000 pounds and what this thing has. Whitelightning >> Hum, a few straps is all most 80,000 pound over the road loads have > holding [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Whitelightning Ah, and there is a big difference between 400 pounds of ice and thousands of pounds of whatever too... >Ah, and there is a big difference between 400 pounds of ice and thousands of >pounds of whatever too... Yes there is because it is easier to secure a 10K load to a flat bed with proper compresion tie downs on skids and such instead fo a few rope mere try to stop its slide. Maybe if you put it on a skid and cut holes in bed to use proper compressive tie down it would work but then bed is not strong enough to take much compressive restraint force. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >I think there is a big difference between a 4 inch wide strap rated to >10,000 >pounds and what this thing has. Yes and how it is secured too plus this is a block of ice on a slick surface. If it had antifreeze in it and was not solid it would be a bit easier to secure as the bed flexs in use and a block of ice does not and that will make it try to walk around a LOT more. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com MY bed does not flex. You have a chevy or dodge, then maybe. Besides that, set 400 lbs on a piece of rubber then try to move it. s >>I think there is a big difference between a 4 inch wide strap rated to >>10,000 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com >MY bed does not flex. You have a chevy or dodge, then maybe. Besides that, >set 400 lbs on a piece of rubber then try to move it. I have news for you, It does indeed flex because chassis will flex and bed is attached to it and it will flex with it and the block of ice will mold to bed shape when it freezes and them as it flexs (which is quite normal) even though it is well less than a inch, this is enough to change the contact resting area of the solid block of ice and make it slid a lot easier.. Try it and you will find on that will it looks good in theory, it is not in practice. Also if you doubt you bed flexs, put a inch of so of water in it and let it freeze and drive truck and see how quickly the ice either breaks up and breaks free from bed from its flexing. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com Also, if you'll look at their picture, you'll see that the bag surrounds the wheel wells. When frozen, it wouldn't need any tie down at all. s >> Hum, a few straps is all most 80,000 pound over the road loads have > holding [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Whitelightning > Also, if you'll look at their picture, you'll see that the bag surrounds the > wheel wells. When frozen, it wouldn't need any tie down at all. > > s No one plans to get in an accident, but I'll bet a paycheck it doesn't stay put just because it "surrounds the wheel wells" in one. Which is the whole point of properly securing a load, so that it stays put no matter what. Whitelightning >Hum, a few straps is all most 80,000 pound over the road loads have holding >them in place, I wonder how they do that. I just moved 8000 pounds of wood >pellets in 200 slippery plastic 50 pound bags, 180 miles, secured to a >Flatbed with only a few straps holding them in place, they didn't skid >around at all. And they were not frozen either. Try it and you will find out. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>Hum, a few straps is all most 80,000 pound over the road loads have >>holding [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com Put the crack pipe down Blowman. >>>Hum, a few straps is all most 80,000 pound over the road loads have >>>holding [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Put the crack pipe down Blowman. Always got to be someone being a a$$. Still a bad idea and wait until so water/snow get on bed under it and freezes and then it will really want to skid and them how about a hard 400 to 500 lb ice block slamming into back of cab in a wreck. No thank you. Sure sand bag can slide but they are soft and not one piece. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com If it makes a difference, and I think it might, my bed liner is of the 'non-slip' variety, so I'd be inclined to think that once this bladder is filled and frozen, its not going anywhere. Keep in mind, too, that the center of gravity on it is very low, maybe 4 inches high at best, so that should also contribute to it's stability. For what its worth, I think that in today's litigous society, something like this would have to be put to an 'acid' test before being put onto the market, so most scenarios like those mentioned in this thread would've been addressed. Norm > "Stephen N." <Steelystephen@coldmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Or if you are disadvantaged, and have no access to any of that, just tie the > damn thing to a tree and drive forward... The bag forms around the wheel wells so it won't slide out. I have a fork lift so lifting that weight wouldn't be a problem but it doesn't look like the bag is meant to hoisted up when full. Anyway, I'd still rather have a half dozen bags of sand that are easy to handle and are useful for traction. Stephen N.-->and throw a shovel in there as well... Now all these other people say it's going to be sliding all over the place. If that's the case, just untie it and hit the gas. There, out. s >> "Stephen N." <Steelystephen@coldmail.com> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Stephen N.-->and throw a shovel in there as well... > Now all these other people say it's going to be sliding all over the place. > If that's the case, just untie it and hit the gas. There, out. Nah, if your going to tail gate it do it right, its back up and hit the brakes hard. Whitelightning ;-)
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