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Pap - 17 Jan 2007 21:13 GMT
It appears I'm going to have to start hauling water sometime this
summer, so I'm going to start looking for a decent used Ford
pickup that will haul a 500 gallons of water in a plastic water
tank.

That figures out at 4150 lb of water.

What model pickup would you suggest: i.e. F100, F150 etc.??

Thanks.

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I. Care - 17 Jan 2007 21:21 GMT
> It appears I'm going to have to start hauling water sometime this
> summer, so I'm going to start looking for a decent used Ford
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Know anybody at the local fire station that has a water truck?  Maybe
they could deliver some to you.
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Whitelightning - 17 Jan 2007 23:37 GMT
> It appears I'm going to have to start hauling water sometime this
> summer, so I'm going to start looking for a decent used Ford
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> Thanks.

Consider this, the M149, Trailer, Water, 400 gallon, in slang a water
buffalo
was designed to be pulled behind a 2 1/2 ton truck or larger. It was
forbidden to pull it behind M880 5/4 ton truck because when the water
started sloshing around it would push the truck all over the place.
http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m149.php

water tanks are always smooth bore, no baffles, so that 4150 pounds is
constantly moving, and when you try to stop it sloshes foreword pushing you
foreword.  Too fast in a turn and your going over.  I wouldn't even trust an
F-350 with that kind of a load.  Nor would I trust the bed of a pick up
truck to provide a secure tie down, that kind of weight needs to be
connected directly to a very stout frame.  Remember the 4150 lbs is static
weight.

Whitelightning
penglish1@earthlink.net - 17 Jan 2007 23:54 GMT
If you're making a very very short dash over level pavement, you might
risk it with an F150. Real risky not to mention real scary too. The 150
will not turn or break predictably. with heavy side to side sway
...like an amusement ride. No Joke.

The F150 tries may actually blow before you move. No Joke.

Consider the F350, DRW if you can manage. Gross weight on the rear axel
may exceed 6000lbs with the water. SRWs means 3000 lb per tire. thats a
LOAD RANGE E tire that may not even be available on the F250s.

4000 lbs in the bed of an F350 will even cause the 1-ton pick up it to
squat hard. The voice of experience. Add overloads to the rear springs
like the Firestone air bags to get a 5000 lb gross weight rating on the
rear axel. The truck will handle much more safely and maybe even break
in a straight line!!!

It all depends on how far you need to go and how good your road is.

Good luck, Phil
SnoMan - 18 Jan 2007 01:40 GMT
>Consider the F350, DRW if you can manage. Gross weight on the rear axel
>may exceed 6000lbs with the water. SRWs means 3000 lb per tire. thats a
>LOAD RANGE E tire that may not even be available on the F250s.

A sturdy F250 or E350 SRW woud handle it axle wise because they have a
4 ton capacity rear axle. You might have to add a leaf to some 250's
and as far as tires, 265R16 "E" tires (which come on most SRW 1 tons)
have a load capcity of 3580 lbs per tire and would handle you required
load safely
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Jasper - 17 Jan 2007 23:56 GMT
A lot of people in my area haul those round green water tanks that have a
flat bottom and domed top in 3/4 ton trucks all the time.  Just make sure it
is totally full so you don't get the sloshing, and slow down som for sharp
corners.  I've seen them hauled on sturdy trailers, too.

> It appears I'm going to have to start hauling water sometime this
> summer, so I'm going to start looking for a decent used Ford
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PWK - 18 Jan 2007 01:25 GMT
>A lot of people in my area haul those round green water tanks that have a
>flat bottom and domed top in 3/4 ton trucks all the time.  Just make sure
>it is totally full so you don't get the sloshing, and slow down som for
>sharp corners.  I've seen them hauled on sturdy trailers, too.

Same here.. When you live in a town of 1,000 people and most use wells, well
in the midwest about 3/4 of the way through the summer you see the water
trucks really start comin up to the treatment plant. They drive around in
1/2 tons, and 3/4tons, but like I said in my previous post, the 1/2tons
really start sagging in the rear even unloaded after about the 3rd or 4th
trip with it.

Just follow Jaspers adivce and you should be good. Seen it done too many
years to count now. Just make sure you get the tank FULL. No more than 6"
from the top.
PWK - 18 Jan 2007 00:09 GMT
> It appears I'm going to have to start hauling water sometime this
> summer, so I'm going to start looking for a decent used Ford
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> Thanks.

I would suggest the F-250 diesel. It has the torque to move the load easily,
and the load capacity to repeatedly handle a load weight of that size
without having to maximize the output on the suspension system. An F-150
while ample would end up sagging in the rearend and require spring
replacement far sooner than the F-250. Here is a chart of towing capacities,
keep in mind the actual dead weight capacity vs the towing capacity is about
50-75% of the towing capacity. You need to keep in mind that if you are
hauling an 8,800lb trailer that the tongue weight is usually 10-15% of the
weight with 5th-wheels being about 25% . So if an 8,800lb trailer causes the
F-150 springs to sag drastically, imagine what 4,000lbs of water right over
the axle will do. You will also notice that the highest towing capacity in
the chart is the diesel engine and ranges from 10,000-14,500lbs with a
manual transmission.

http://www.trailerlife.com/downloads/00towingguide.pdf

PWK
Jim Clark-Dawe - 18 Jan 2007 01:06 GMT
> It appears I'm going to have to start hauling water sometime this
> summer, so I'm going to start looking for a decent used Ford
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> Thanks.

I've driven forestry trucks for a fire department with 125 - 150 gallon
tanks with baffles.  We use a F-350.  You're talking 3 to 4 times the
weight.  If you put this on a heavy enough trailer, it might work, but
you're going to have 2 tons moving all over the place (called 'surge').  
Two tons pushing on any pickup truck will cause the truck to move,
sometimes in ways you can't anticipate.

I have a CDL with tank endorsement, and have hauled over 5,000 gallons.  
The more fluid you have, the more push you have on a truck.  When you
have a surge slamming against the front of the tank when you're trying
to stop your vehicle, and running out of room, you learn what 'out of
control' means.  Without baffles, I wouldn't run that amount of water
with less than a six-wheeler, probably a two ton.  

I'd think about picking up a used tanker, especially from a fire
department.  Our department just sold one with a 1,000 gallon tank and
less than a 100,000 miles for $5,000.  Do not buy an old oil tanker, as
the surge will rip the tank to pieces.

Jim Clark-Dawe
Matt Macchiarolo - 18 Jan 2007 01:44 GMT
One that will hold a 2.5 ton payload, neither of those you mentioned can.
Look at an F-450 at minimum, or buy a trailer to mount the tank to.

> It appears I'm going to have to start hauling water sometime this
> summer, so I'm going to start looking for a decent used Ford
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SnoMan - 18 Jan 2007 13:11 GMT
>Look at an F-450 at minimum, or buy a trailer to mount the tank to.

Talk about over kill......
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Steve Barker - 18 Jan 2007 17:07 GMT
I agree.  An F-250 is more than enough truck to haul 4k.

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>>Look at an F-450 at minimum, or buy a trailer to mount the tank to.
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> Talk about over kill......
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Whitelightning - 18 Jan 2007 19:53 GMT
> I agree.  An F-250 is more than enough truck to haul 4k.

4K pounds that doesn't move, yeah, 4K pounds that can move any which way
is another story

Whitelightning
Steve Barker - 18 Jan 2007 23:17 GMT
A full tank of water doesn't move.  I agree, a partial tank is a pain to
drive around.  Been there, done that with a 2500 gal. tank on a properly
sized truck.  Better to dump the entire load and refill as needed.

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>> I agree.  An F-250 is more than enough truck to haul 4k.
>
> 4K pounds that doesn't move, yeah, 4K pounds that can move any which way
> is another story
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> Whitelightning
Matt Macchiarolo - 18 Jan 2007 20:57 GMT
The standard payload rating of a current F250 is 3200 pounds, he's talking
about hauling over two tons in an older model with a lower rating.

If he was towing this load, a 250 would be fine, but my impression was the
OP was going to load 500 pounds of water in the truck, in which case he
would be seriously overloading a 250.

>I agree.  An F-250 is more than enough truck to haul 4k.
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Matt Macchiarolo - 18 Jan 2007 20:59 GMT
Whoops, I meant 500 gallons...

500 pounds of water

>>I agree.  An F-250 is more than enough truck to haul 4k.
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Steve Barker - 18 Jan 2007 23:18 GMT
I knew what you meant. <G>.  But still, we can't always go by what the book
says.  We must use real world experience.

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> Whoops, I meant 500 gallons...
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> 500 pounds of water
My Name Is Nobody - 19 Jan 2007 00:09 GMT
Exactly why I bought an F-450 and regularly haul 8000 pounds on the bed and
tow 15,000 pound trailers...
16,000 GVWR
Max Payload 9100
26,000 GCWR

It is damn easy to forget about the extra weight and trailers, because I
have more than enough truck (especially brakes) for the job...

:-)

>I knew what you meant. <G>.  But still, we can't always go by what the book
>says.  We must use real world experience.
>
>> Whoops, I meant 500 gallons...
>>
>> 500 pounds of water
Matt Macchiarolo - 19 Jan 2007 02:04 GMT
When the nice officer stops you, checks the GVWR against what you are
hauling, and cites you for overload, you can add that to the real world
experience.

>I knew what you meant. <G>.  But still, we can't always go by what the book
>says.  We must use real world experience.
>
>> Whoops, I meant 500 gallons...
>>
>> 500 pounds of water
 
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