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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / January 2007

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Misfiring at 40-50 mph+ (Ford Tech here's a challenge...)

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Yabahoobs - 22 Jan 2007 01:01 GMT
I think the PCM problems / Wiring harness issues are continuing.  It
seems like I'm getting some mistimed firing at 40-50 mph or higher.
Specifically when I apply the gas pedal at these speeds...Maybe the
problem is occuring at lower speeds, but I can't feel it.

Spuddering, Misfiring etc...Is there any way this is NOT a PCM related
issue ?  Hopefully just a calibration / programming issue ? I guess it
could be fuel, but I really doubt it.  Any ideas ?  She's going back
into the shop tommorow...

btw : 98 F-150 w/ the 5.8L V8.  74 K mileage.

Good Luck...
CJB - 22 Jan 2007 02:00 GMT
>I think the PCM problems / Wiring harness issues are continuing.  It
> seems like I'm getting some mistimed firing at 40-50 mph or higher.
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>
> Good Luck...

This is most likely an ignition problem.  I'm guessing that it happens under
light/moderate throttle, right?  If you give it enough to gear down or
unlock the converter, it goes away, right?

I don't remember if you have COP or not, but I doubt it.  If you have plug
wires, I'd suspect the wires first.  If not, plugs are most likely.

There is an issue on some Ford V-8's of misfiring due to bleedover between
plugwires that are misrouted.  I forget which two, but there are two
adjacent cylinders that fire sequentially and often the wires for them are
run side by side.  If that's the case, there is some bleedover between the
two wires resulting in misfiring and weak spark.  I may be thinking about
the 5.0 tho...  I'm just an amateur who has a decent amount of Ford
experience.  Someone else will be able confirm or correct that.

It's theoretically possible that you have a TPS issue, but since the problem
seems more related to speed than throttle position, I'd suspect ignition
first.

CJB
Yabahoobs - 22 Jan 2007 03:08 GMT
> >I think the PCM problems / Wiring harness issues are continuing.  It
> > seems like I'm getting some mistimed firing at 40-50 mph or higher.
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> seems more related to speed than throttle position, I'd suspect ignition
> first.

Yeah when the problem starts to kick in I almost feel like i could
apply a fair amount of gas with no response...I have to REALLY lay it
down for a further response from the engine.  WHen I give it a ton of
juice accelerating out of 1st, 2nd, or third no problems at all.

I tend to agree with what you're saying.
Joe - 22 Jan 2007 03:35 GMT
>> >I think the PCM problems / Wiring harness issues are continuing.  It
>> > seems like I'm getting some mistimed firing at 40-50 mph or higher.
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>
> I tend to agree with what you're saying.

Look at your plug wires and distributor area late at night, and you may be
able to spot the bleedover.  I'm not really clear how a 98 F150 could have a
5.8, so I'm assuming it 's really an F250.  I have had several episodes of
misfiring in my truck in 4th gear, and it's just plug wires I think.  It
doesn't happen in the lower gears.
Ford Tech - 22 Jan 2007 11:49 GMT
>I think the PCM problems / Wiring harness issues are continuing.  It
> seems like I'm getting some mistimed firing at 40-50 mph or higher.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Good Luck...

Ok the 5.8L V8 is bogus if its a 98. Ford doesnt list the 5.8 in 98 F-150
PC/ED (thats the Powertrain Control/Engine Diagnostics manual). So I would
say you have a 5.4L. In that case, I would be willing to bet you have
problem with COP going bad on a cylinder or two. It is possible it could be
a PCM issue as that controls which COP is firing at that time. It could be a
bad crank sensor, as that is what the PCM uses to keep time. Could be a bad
TPS sensor and it could be "skipping".  The list here is ENDLESS. Does it
only happen in a certain gear? Can you hit the "OD off" switch and make it
stop?

Your best bet is to have someone run a stress test on the COP system, that
is depending on which engine you have. A stress test will tell if you have a
bad coil. I suggest you raise the hood and look at the EPA sticker under the
hood. If you see 5.4 or 5.8 anywhere that is the engine size. Its usually
listed in the "Engine Family" area on the sticker. Then check back here to
verify the engine size.

The best thing to do at this point, is that I know that WDS or IDS has the
ability to watch TPS, cylinder firing and watch sensors as you are driving.
I would take it to the dealer and have them hook it up and take it for a
test drive. That way they can see exactly what is going on at the time of
the problem.

Check back and let us know.
Yabahoobs - 22 Jan 2007 13:19 GMT
> Check back and let us know.

Will do.  Thanks again...
Mellowed - 22 Jan 2007 16:07 GMT
I had a similar problem right after the transmission was rebuilt.  I
changed everything related to the engine but the problem did not go
away.  I strongly suspected that there was a some kind of
slippage/grabbing somewhere in the torque converter or band somewhere.
The problem only occurred when climbing a grade.  I live in the
mountains.  I just lived with it as nothing could be proved one way or
the other.  As time when on it seemed to be less of a problem.

: I think the PCM problems / Wiring harness issues are continuing.  It
: seems like I'm getting some mistimed firing at 40-50 mph or higher.
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:
: Good Luck...
Ford Tech - 22 Jan 2007 23:32 GMT
> I had a similar problem right after the transmission was rebuilt.  I
> changed everything related to the engine but the problem did not go
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> mountains.  I just lived with it as nothing could be proved one way or
> the other.  As time when on it seemed to be less of a problem.

Sounds like your truck just had to "relearn" the shift pattern for your
driving habits. It's common when you do a trans rebuild or reset the PCM as
is commonly done in a trans rebuild as well as other times. It will not
shift normally until you drive it a certain distance and allow it to relearn
your  driving habits.
Mellowed - 22 Jan 2007 23:40 GMT
Perhaps.  But it went on for 20,000 miles

: > I had a similar problem right after the transmission was rebuilt.  I
: > changed everything related to the engine but the problem did not go
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: shift normally until you drive it a certain distance and allow it to relearn
: your  driving habits.
Ford Tech - 23 Jan 2007 01:09 GMT
> Perhaps.  But it went on for 20,000 miles

Sounds like a bad rebuild then to me.. Should only shift rough for the first
(at most) 20mi. As for the band slippage that would be impossible for speeds
above 10-20mph cause only manual low and reverse use a band anymore. Low
gear uses a 1-way clutch, and all other gears use a series of clutches and a
ravigneau gear set (thats a dual planetary gear set that uses the same sun
gear. Has 2 rings and 2 pinion sets.). Some tranny's use 2 ravigneau gear
sets, good examples would be the Corvette 6 speed auto.
Mellowed - 23 Jan 2007 01:48 GMT
The transmission was an E4OD out of a '92 Bronco.

: > Perhaps.  But it went on for 20,000 miles
:
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: gear. Has 2 rings and 2 pinion sets.). Some tranny's use 2 ravigneau gear
: sets, good examples would be the Corvette 6 speed auto.
 
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