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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / March 2007Internal Engine Cleaners
Hi group, hope your all having a good day! I was wondering, is the Rislone or any other Engine cleaners worth the plastic there put in? I'm speaking of the kind they say to put in before an oil change, run it for a few miles, and then change your oil... Just curious about this for an older vehicle.. TIA, Doug a quart of ATF will do just as good. and cheaper.  SignatureSteve Barker > Hi group, hope your all having a good day! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Doug > Hi group, hope your all having a good day! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Doug Well Marvel makes a pretty good one, or you could use a quart of diesel fuel. Although the best thing to do is change your oil religously at 3,000mi intervals and your engine will never need the cleaning, unless it's grossly overheated. Ford Tech > Hi group, hope your all having a good day! > > I was wondering, is the Rislone or any other Engine cleaners worth > the > plastic there put in? If they were required and needed, Ford would say so in there owner's manual. They don't, so I don't!! I'd rather have another Big Mac. Tom J >If they were required and needed, Ford would say so in there owner's >manual. They don't, so I don't!! I'd rather have another Big Mac. I agree, if you use good oil and change it often there is nothing to flush out. My son once thied to flush a car engine in a used car he got that had seen poor maintainance. He blew the motor in less than 100 miles when the sludge cut loose all at once and plugged up the oiling system. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com > >If they were required and needed, Ford would say so in there owner's > >manual. They don't, so I don't!! I'd rather have another Big Mac. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com Best thing to do usually is to drive the vehicle until it's up to normal operating temp. then drain the oil so that most any settlement and sludge will be in solution and will run oil with the oil. I do use 1 qt of LUCAS oil treatment when I change the oil, just gives you a better oil film on the parts >Best thing to do usually is to drive the vehicle until it's up to >normal operating temp. then drain the oil so that most any settlement >and sludge will be in solution and will run oil with the oil. Good advise to drain it while it is warm and stirred up, I always do :) ----------------- TheSnoMan.com > Hi group, hope your all having a good day! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Just curious about this for an older vehicle.. If you regularly change the oil, and the engine is able to typically warm up completely before you are shutting it off, there should be no reason to use any additive. Yes, those products probably do something. But they aren't required. As others said, Diesel fuel or ATF can work just as well. If the care of the vehicle is unknown, and you have reasons to believe there is significant sludge build up, you're best to just leave it. If you were to cause the sludge to start flowing through the oil system again, it can easily get stuck in the oil pickup screen and restrict oil flow. I certainly wouldn't do a flush job on the oil system without having an oil pressure sensor so I could shut down if things become plugged. >> Hi group, hope your all having a good day! >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >system without having an oil pressure sensor so I could shut down if >things become plugged. Speaking of oil pressure sensors... My '95 Ranger has an oil pressure gage, but the sensor is just an oil pressure switch. If I have oil pressure, the needle comes up, no oil pressure... bottom peg. No more useful than an idiot light. Now why bother putting in a gage? Is it an attempt to fool the consumer? (don't get me wrong, I love my Ranger!) That's exactly what it is. And they've been like that for over 20 years. I remember putting in a special resistor on the late 80's / early 90's aerostars to make the gauge read a bit higher than they were. SignatureSteve Barker > Speaking of oil pressure sensors... My '95 Ranger has an oil pressure > gage, but the sensor is just an oil pressure switch. If I have oil > pressure, the needle comes up, no oil pressure... bottom peg. No more > useful than an idiot light. Now why bother putting in a gage? Is it > an attempt to fool the consumer? (don't get me wrong, I love my > Ranger!) It's a Ford feature across all models with a gauge. > Speaking of oil pressure sensors... My '95 Ranger has an oil pressure > gage, but the sensor is just an oil pressure switch. If I have oil > pressure, the needle comes up, no oil pressure... bottom peg. No more > useful than an idiot light. Now why bother putting in a gage? Is it > an attempt to fool the consumer? (don't get me wrong, I love my > Ranger!) >>> Hi group, hope your all having a good day! >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >an attempt to fool the consumer? (don't get me wrong, I love my >Ranger!) people wanted gauges but manufactures didn't want to risk the problems which occur with the tubing and a real pressure gauge. There is no solid state device reliable enough for a truely accurate reading for pressure reading , YET. imho > people wanted gauges but manufactures didn't want to risk the > problems [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > pressure > reading , YET. imho This is clearly not true. There are many critical applications that use electronic devices for monitoring oil pressure. I'll agree that many of the oil pressure transducers used by the automotive industry are not particularly accurate. This is not because the technology doesn't exist. For instance here is a PDF for a pressure transducer that promises +/- 0.5% accuracy - http://www.sensotec.com/pdf/a105a.pdf . Ed >> people wanted gauges but manufactures didn't want to risk the problems >> which occur with the tubing and a real pressure gauge. There is no solid [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Ed Ah that's nothing, Accuracy of +/- 0.05% span maintained over the full span turndown range of 80:1 http://www.foxboro.com/us/eng/products/instrumentation/pressure/premiumperformac e/premiumperformance.htm :-) >> people wanted gauges but manufactures didn't want to risk the >> problems [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Ed did you happen to look at the cost of a 105a yes , i should have added cost in my opinion On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:38:16 +0000, samstone rearranged some electrons to form: > people wanted gauges but manufactures didn't want to risk the problems > which occur with the tubing and a real pressure gauge. There is no solid > state device reliable enough for a truely accurate reading for pressure > reading , YET. imho What are you talking about? There are lots of highly accurate, solid-state pressure sensors. Look here: http://www.omega.com/toc_asp/sectionSC.asp?section=B&book=pressure It's all about cost/benefit... Ford chooses not to use a real transducer because of cost, and the perception that the customer would not know the difference anyway. My 1994 Jeep Cherokee has a variable resistance transducer on the oil pressure gauge that works well enough. SignatureDavid M (dmacchiarolo) http://home.triad.rr.com/redsled T/S 53 sled351 Linux 2.4.18-14 has been up 2 days 21:27 >> people wanted gauges but manufactures didn't want to risk the problems >> which occur with the tubing and a real pressure gauge. There is no solid >> state device reliable enough for a truely accurate reading for pressure >> reading , YET. imho > >What are you talking about? I made it clear >>> no solid state device <<< I'm not talking assemblies which used electroncis. the term "solid state" became increasingly used as a synonym for "no moving parts see : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_state_%28electronics%29 > There are lots of highly accurate, >solid-state pressure sensors. You said sensors , I DID NOT >Look here: >http://www.omega.com/toc_asp/sectionSC.asp?section=B&book=pressure *YAWN* moving parts >It's all about cost/benefit... Ford chooses not to use a real transducer >because of cost, and the perception that the customer would not know the >difference anyway. My 1994 Jeep Cherokee has a variable resistance >transducer on the oil pressure gauge that works well enough. * yawn* * yawn* *yawn* On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 02:24:41 +0000, samstone rearranged some electrons to form: >>> people wanted gauges but manufactures didn't want to risk the problems >>> which occur with the tubing and a real pressure gauge. There is no solid [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I made it clear >>> no solid state device <<< I'm not talking assemblies > which used electronics Wrong. Do a search for 'piezoresistive strain gauge' > > the term "solid state" became increasingly used as a synonym for "no moving parts > see : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_state_%28electronics%29 ** YAWN ** >>Look here: >>http://www.omega.com/toc_asp/sectionSC.asp?section=B&book=pressure > > *YAWN* moving parts Wrong. Piezo strain gauge. SignatureDavid M (dmacchiarolo) http://home.triad.rr.com/redsled T/S 53 sled351 Linux 2.4.18-14 has been up 1 day 22:05 On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 05:06:05 -0500, David M <NOSPAM@nospam.com> wrote:> >Wrong. Do a search for 'piezoresistive strain gauge' >Wrong. Piezo strain gauge. > now take what you've learned and re-read my opinion as to why oil pressure guages aren't used " YET" . nice big display maybe in half pound increments offer the OP your opinion on his question have a nice day >On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 05:06:05 -0500, David M <NOSPAM@nospam.com> wrote:> >>Wrong. Do a search for 'piezoresistive strain gauge' [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >offer the OP your opinion on his question >have a nice day The inaccuracies and reliablity issues are because of quality control and cost cutting measures not because they are electronic devices. Modern aircraft would not be able to fly without them nor would of any of the space missions gotten off the ground. BTW a digital oil pressure gage would not be a good deal for detriot because people would complain about seeing oil pressure flux a few PSI of even less. John Q Public would not embrace it well. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:59:31 +0000, samstone rearranged some electrons to form: > On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 05:06:05 -0500, David M <NOSPAM@nospam.com> wrote:> >>Wrong. Do a search for 'piezoresistive strain gauge' >>Wrong. Piezo strain gauge. > > now take what you've learned and re-read my opinion as to why oil pressure > guages aren't used " YET" . nice big display maybe in half pound increments To refresh your memory, here's what you wrote: <samstone@aol.com> wrote in message news:45c87599.12984690@news.epix.net... > There is no solid state device reliable enough for a truely accurate > reading for pressure reading , YET. imho which is obviously a false statement, as I and others have shown you. Now take what you've learned, admit that you're wrong, and have a nice day yourself. SignatureDavid M (dmacchiarolo) http://home.triad.rr.com/redsled T/S 53 sled351 Linux 2.4.18-14 has been up 3 days 14:02 On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 02:24:41 +0000, samstone rearranged some electrons to form: > I made it clear >>> no solid state device <<< I'm not talking assemblies > which used electroncis. > > the term "solid state" became increasingly used as a synonym for "no moving parts > see : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_state_%28electronics%29 ** Yawn ** What do you think is inside your MAP or BP sensor on your truck? Google is this way --> 'solid state pressure sensor' SignatureDavid M (dmacchiarolo) http://home.triad.rr.com/redsled T/S 53 sled351 Linux 2.4.18-14 has been up 2 days 23:04 Sorry for the delay in reply guys..... I was gone for a few days, but yeah, thanks for all the replies though! I bought an old F150 Used, and I was pulling the valve covers to reseat new gaskets, and noticed the oil journals were pretty gunked up. I wanted to clean it up a bit to restore flow, but as it sounds, I should leave well enough alone! Appreciate the advice guys, but I'll keep the high detergent trick on the back burner... Another question though...: Would tranny fluid be good to clean other parts in though, rather than a solvent wash?? Like the valve covers for instance? Soak them in it overnight and then brush them off? The availability of solvent is here, but somewhat expensive for no more than I would use it. Thanks, Doug > Hi group, hope your all having a good day! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Doug |
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