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franzsolo... - 15 Feb 2007 03:11 GMT
Ford Ranger Splash,then Sport,now Edge
So now they use the same name(Edge)for a crossover vehicle? Did Ford run
out of names ? I don't get it....
Jim Tiberio - 16 Feb 2007 17:18 GMT
> Ford Ranger Splash,then Sport,now Edge
> So now they use the same name(Edge)for a crossover vehicle? Did Ford run
> out of names ? I don't get it....

It's not the first time, before the Expedition there was the Explorer
Expedition.  I think it only existed for one year but in 1995 the high end
Explorer Sport edition was called the Explorer Expedition.
franzsolo... - 16 Feb 2007 17:24 GMT
C. E. White - 20 Feb 2007 04:43 GMT
>> Ford Ranger Splash,then Sport,now Edge
>> So now they use the same name(Edge)for a crossover vehicle? Did Ford run
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> Expedition.  I think it only existed for one year but in 1995 the high end
> Explorer Sport edition was called the Explorer Expedition.

Before that there were both Explroer and Expedition special model of the
F150 (and F150 Rangers too).

Ed
Joe - 21 Feb 2007 04:53 GMT
>>> Ford Ranger Splash,then Sport,now Edge
>>> So now they use the same name(Edge)for a crossover vehicle? Did Ford run
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Ed

Plus, you have to remember that all Ford SUV's start with "E".  That right
there limits your name choices dramatically.  Cars all start with "F",
except for the Mustang, which is kind of untouchable.  Mercurys all start
with "M".

Personally,  I think that they're making a series of very dumb moves, for
two reasons.

First, their lineup is very confusing. Especially at Mercury, where both
cars and trucks start with M.  Does anybody know whether the Montego is a
truck? Is the Mariner a van? The Montero is made by Mercury, right? Am I
looking for a Freestar or a Freestyle? I can't remember.  The solution to
the Mustang name mismatch is clear - Just call it the Mercury Mustang and
your problem is solved!

Second, they give importance to renaming their products (badly) which
outweighs the value of what they have to give up.  They had to hurry up and
rename the Zephyr a "MKZ" before the Zephyr built up any brand identity.  As
if that was a BAD THING.  You may have also heard that they woke up one
morning a few weeks ago and realized that the Ford Taurus had been the best
selling car they had for about 20 years, including 2006, when it wasn't even
available to the general public. Whoops!  It's never too late, and they're
going to rename a product Taurus maybe.

I assume it is a case of misplaced priorities.  It would be alarming that
somebody working for the company would be dumb enough to think MKZ to fit in
with MKX and MKY is a better name for a car than Zephyr, and MKX is better
than Aviator, too, just on its own merits.

Anyway, I think Edge is pretty good.  Compared to MKLT, Edge is a very good
name.
Steve Barker - 21 Feb 2007 14:43 GMT
Cars all start with an "F" ??

LTD
Windstar
Crown Victoria
Escort
Taurus

I guess I see what you mean.

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> Plus, you have to remember that all Ford SUV's start with "E".  That right
> there limits your name choices dramatically.  Cars all start with "F",
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> Anyway, I think Edge is pretty good.  Compared to MKLT, Edge is a very
> good name.
lugnut - 21 Feb 2007 18:19 GMT
>Cars all start with an "F" ??
>
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>
>I guess I see what you mean.

Maybe what was menat was:     Ford LTD
                    Ford Wondstar
                    Ford Crown Victoria
                    Ford Escort
                    Ford Taurus, etc.       

That way, they all - including trucks -  start with an "F"

Lugnut
Spdloader - 22 Feb 2007 02:40 GMT
> Cars all start with an "F" ??
>
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>
> I guess I see what you mean.

I think he meant current mainstream cars:

Focus
Fusion
Five Hundred
FreeStyle
FreeStar

Except for the Crown Vic which they make primarily for Police, and the
Mustang, which is made out of heritage.

Spdloader
Oscar_Lives - 26 Feb 2007 04:41 GMT
>> Cars all start with an "F" ??
>>
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>
> Spdloader

Don't forget the trucks called "4WD"...
Jim Tiberio - 26 Mar 2007 20:51 GMT
>>>> Ford Ranger Splash,then Sport,now Edge
>>>> So now they use the same name(Edge)for a crossover vehicle? Did Ford
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> when it wasn't even available to the general public. Whoops!  It's never
> too late, and they're going to rename a product Taurus maybe.

The Freestyle is getting a makeover for '08.  At that time both the
Freestyle and the Five Hundred will bear the Taurus name.  As far as Mercury
goes, it's the Montego, not the Montero which is a bad Mitsubishi SUV.

> I assume it is a case of misplaced priorities.  It would be alarming that
> somebody working for the company would be dumb enough to think MKZ to fit
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Anyway, I think Edge is pretty good.  Compared to MKLT, Edge is a very
> good name.
My Name Is Nobody - 16 Feb 2007 19:59 GMT
> Ford Ranger Splash,then Sport,now Edge
> So now they use the same name(Edge)for a crossover vehicle? Did Ford run
> out of names ? I don't get it....

In the late 60's there was an F-series full sized pickup trim package named
and badged "Ranger" used just as Lariat and Eddie Bauer are today.
kenb - 16 Feb 2007 22:43 GMT
"My Name Is Nobody"  wrote in message:

> In the late 60's there was an F-series full sized pickup trim package
named
> and badged "Ranger" used just as Lariat and Eddie Bauer are today.

   Yep, the Ranger trim package existed until at least 1978, as my 78"
Bronco was tagged with both the "Ranger" and "XLT" packages.  I'm guessing
that the XLT referred to the interior details, but I'm not sure.

Cheers,
Ken

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lugnut - 17 Feb 2007 03:23 GMT
>> Ford Ranger Splash,then Sport,now Edge
>> So now they use the same name(Edge)for a crossover vehicle? Did Ford run
>> out of names ? I don't get it....
>
>In the late 60's there was an F-series full sized pickup trim package named
>and badged "Ranger" used just as Lariat and Eddie Bauer are today.

There was also an F100 Explorer in the early '70's.  That
was before the F150 came into being to beat back the
requirement for a catalytic converter in the mid '70's.  The
F100 ceased to exist when the Feds require cats on the F150
weight class and the full size simple became the F150 and
the compact Ranger replaced the Mazda-built Courier.  I saw
the Galaxy name mentioned by another poster when I was in
England a few years ago on a compact SUV type.  Not a very
fitting end for a once great name in automobiles.

Lugnut
Jeff Strickland - 16 Feb 2007 23:17 GMT
I am reminded of the Galaxy 500 LTD of the early to mid '60s that dropped
Galaxy and became simply the LTD.

They own the names (as a function of trademark rights), and they are known
to recycle the names. The Falcon Fairlane of the late '50s and early '60s
was reincarnated as the Fairlane in the '70s. The F100 trucks were once
badged as Rangers.

You may have noticed the new Chevy Impala. The Impala was the flagship of
the Chevy line-up at one time, but went into retirement for many years
before coming back in the past few years as a completely new car, with a new
spot in the line-up.

> Ford Ranger Splash,then Sport,now Edge
> So now they use the same name(Edge)for a crossover vehicle? Did Ford run
> out of names ? I don't get it....
Whitelightning - 17 Feb 2007 15:24 GMT
> I am reminded of the Galaxy 500 LTD of the early to mid '60s that dropped
> Galaxy and became simply the LTD.
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> before coming back in the past few years as a completely new car, with a new
> spot in the line-up.

The names have to be used or after a period of time they fall into public
domain.  Example,
the old dodge lancer has been grabbed by Mitsubishi.

Whitelightning
Jeff Strickland - 21 Feb 2007 22:00 GMT
>> I am reminded of the Galaxy 500 LTD of the early to mid '60s that dropped
>> Galaxy and became simply the LTD.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> domain.  Example,
> the old dodge lancer has been grabbed by Mitsubishi.

Well, to be fair, Mitsubishi is a Chrysler property. The Dodge RAM trucks of
yesteryear were Mitsubishi trucks.

But, I believe you are essentially correct, they have to use the names they
own, or risk losing them. Having said that, I can't imagine Chevy glomming
onto a Ford product name that had fallen into disuse. I'm certain that in
the example you cited, the name was exchanged because the companies share
stuff.
Whitelightning - 22 Feb 2007 01:18 GMT
> Well, to be fair, Mitsubishi is a Chrysler property. The Dodge RAM trucks of
> yesteryear were Mitsubishi trucks.

And Toyota provided the late model front wheel drive Nova, does that mean
Toyota
is a Chevy property?  The Chrysler/Mitsubishi partnership started scaling
back in 2000,
and  ended completely in early 2003.  The Mitsubishi  Lancer came out in
2002.

The break between the two companies might be the best thing that has come
out of the
Daimler/Chrysler merger.  Since Mitsubishi can't figure out how to make an
engine that doesn't
burn oil and look like a mosquito control vehicle going down the road.

Whitelightning
Jeff Strickland - 22 Feb 2007 02:32 GMT
>> Well, to be fair, Mitsubishi is a Chrysler property. The Dodge RAM trucks
> of
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>
> Whitelightning

You're right, "property" is the wrong term. It is a partnership. Having said
that, there is ownership percentages that go along with the partnership. For
example, Ford has ownership in Mazda, and GM has ownership in at least
Suzuki (autos). I don't know what the ownership situation between GM and
Toyota might be, but you are right, Toyota supplied the Nova. Weren't the
Geo Prism and Metro supplied by Toyota too?
Whitelightning - 22 Feb 2007 17:11 GMT
> You're right, "property" is the wrong term. It is a partnership. Having said
> that, there is ownership percentages that go along with the partnership. For
> example, Ford has ownership in Mazda, and GM has ownership in at least
> Suzuki (autos). I don't know what the ownership situation between GM and
> Toyota might be, but you are right, Toyota supplied the Nova. Weren't the
> Geo Prism and Metro supplied by Toyota too?

The Metro was not Toyota, it was a rebadged Suzuki Cultis..  The Prizim was
a rebadged toyota sprinter, an upscale version of the corrola.  What I
always
got a kick out of was the way everyone damned the Nova and Prizim and raved
about the same thing with a Toyota badge on it.
My understanding is its just a partnership with Toyota. GM owns interest in
Isuzu, out right owns the old Daewoo line which is now the Aveo.
There is so much blurring between Ford and Mazda its hard to tell where one
ends
and the other begins, which is really sad.

Whitelightning
 
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