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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / March 2007

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2000 Ford Ranger -- Starts up then dies...HELP ME SOLVE THIS PUZZLE!!

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RepairJunkie - 21 Feb 2007 21:19 GMT
My 2000 Ford Ranger with 62k miles starts up if I let it sit for a
while, then it starts to sound real mufflie after about a minute at
which point it bogs down and dies.  Then, it usually won't start again
or does just for 10-15 seconds.   At this point, it just cranks over,
and sounds like those street cars that have a "high-performance"
muffler replacement.

The week before this happened, I sensed a little less power output.
The day before, it really gave me trouble at moderate engine rpm.  It
felt like it was missing or something.  I don't know.

It's been very mild here lately, but it was cold and so I put gasline
antifreeze in the tank and changed the fuel filter.
I also changed the two ignition coils.  The secondary resistance of
both coils were lower than spec., and the sparks were drizzlie brown.
Changing the coils did not fix the problem.  This 4 cylinder has 8
spark plugs and two coils.  One plug fires during the compression
stroke and the other during the exhaust stroke (why the exhaust stroke
I don't know).  The first night it gave me this trouble, I looked
under the hood when it was dark in an attempt to see any arcing sparks
from the wires to block.  I saw none.

Also, I measured the fuel rail pressure and it remained at 64-68 psi
even when the engine began to bog down and stall, so I believe the
fuel system is good because this is within spec.

I tightened as many bolts as possible to stop any possible intake air
leaks, but could not reach intake manifold-to-block bolts.  I assume,
that the oxygen sensor would pick up a lean condition, and report it
by turning on the check engine light if this were the case.  Am I
correct?

Since the check engine light is not on, I also assume that the crank
postion sensor is still good.  I had a VW where the crank postion
sensor failed intermittently, and the OBDII system set the check
engine light, so I scanned it to find the problem.  I assume the
Ranger's OBDII would pick up any intermittent sensors causing this, so
I kind of rule out any intermittent sensor problems.

The next test I plan to do is an engine compression test to check for
a blown head gasket or leaking valve.

I also checked resistance from engine to ground and it was less than
0.5 ohm.  That seems okay to me.

Timing belt visually looks okay.  If it were the timing belt, when I
come back the next day, I believe it would not start up and run for a
full minute before bogging down and dying again.  So, I rule the
timing belt out.

If I let it sit overnight, it will start back up and run for about a
full minute then die.  If it is intermittent, then it should be a
sensor and the OBDII should give me a check engine light.  If it were
the head gasket, a leaky valve, or intake manifold type air leak, then
it should not make any difference whether I let it sit overnight or
not.  Why does it go for about a minute before conking out of fuel
pressure does not drop at the rail?

I am not familiar with throttle position sensor, MAP sensor and some
of the others, but I assume that the engine will automatically go into
its default settings when one of these fails -- and also trip the
check engine light.

Can or should I clean out/test the fuel injectors?
Any other/better ideas?

Thanks in advance for any help

Mike
skyhigh4077 - 05 Mar 2007 07:28 GMT
>My 2000 Ford Ranger with 62k miles starts up if I let it sit for a
>while, then it starts to sound real mufflie after about a minute at
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>Mike

This happened very recently with my 93’ Ford Ranger. It took me a
while to figure it out until it hit me that I didnt have any oil. It
did everything you described. Engine slowed within 4-5 min, then died.
Then I changed the oil and it sparked back to life. Hope this helps.
David M - 05 Mar 2007 10:33 GMT
> This happened very recently with my 93 Ford Ranger. It took me a
> while to figure it out until it hit me that I didnt have any oil. It
> did everything you described. Engine slowed within 4-5 min, then died.
> Then I changed the oil and it sparked back to life.

You ran it for 5 minutes without any oil?  
It's probably not going to last much longer.

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RepairJunkie - 10 Mar 2007 23:13 GMT
> >My 2000 Ford Ranger with 62k miles starts up if I let it sit for a
> >while, then it starts to sound real mufflie after about a minute at
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Thank you Skyhigh and everybody else for your input.

Could it be that your oil was overfilled and caused the crank to churn
through it?  High windage will rob you of horsepower  -- that's for
sure.  I don't know if it will make the engine stall though.

Thanks for the input.

I am getting DTC P0443, which is "Evaporative Emission Control System
- Purge Control Valve Circuit."  My scanner calls it "Purge Valve C
Fault."  I don't have any data on how to test the solenoid though.  It
reads zero ohms (a dead short), and when I apply battery voltage to
it, I don't hear or feel it do anything.  I suspect this is the
problem, but I tried removing it, plugging the three hoses and
disconnecting the connector so that it would appear as an open to the
PCM (the computer).  I still get the same engine bogging down and
stalling problem from the 1600-2200 rpm range.  This was an attempt to
fool the PCM so that it would operate and prove to me that the Purge
Control Valve/Solenoid is in fact the problem.   I am going to order a
good manual/CD before spending $50 on a new valve.  I am interested in
feedback if anybody has any ideas.

Additionally, I did verify that the TPS, MAF, and Engine Temperature
Sensors seem to be working properly.  TPS has a steadily changing
resistance value through it's entire range.  The scanner also shows a
steady change corresponding to gas pedal position for this sensor.
MAF changes values incrementally on the scanner until the engine
stalls.  Again, I don't have any data on how to test the MAF.  It has
4 wires, so I think it forms some kind of a bridge circuit, which
means you can't just look for an open because the wire sensor will be
in parallel with the rest of the circuit.  I believe I have to know
what kind of value I am looking for.  I guess it's time to shell out
some bucks and get a good manual.

Also, the DTC comes up on the scanner, but my check engine light has
not come on yet.

Thank God I have two vehicles.
Mike
RepairJunkie - 27 Mar 2007 23:41 GMT
> > >My 2000 Ford Ranger with 62k miles starts up if I let it sit for a
> > >while, then it starts to sound real mufflie after about a minute at
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN
SOLVED  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ANYBODY WHO HAS READ THIS FAR DESERVES TO KNOW THE REAL SOLUTION....
EVENTUALLY I DOVE IN AND STARTED PLAYING WITH ALL THE ELECTRONICS AND
FINALLY FOUND THAT IT WAS NOT THE ELECTRONICS AT ALL.  I LET SOMEONE
BORROW MY TRUCK AND THEY HIT SOME ROAD DEBREE THAT SMASHED THE FIRST
PART OF THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER WHICH -- OVER ABOUT EIGHT WEEKS --
PLUGGED THE SECOND PART OF THE CONVERTER.  THE PLUGGED CONVERTER
CREATED BACKPRESSURE.  STICK A POTATOE IN YOUR EXHAUST PIPE NEARLY
PLUGGING IT, AND YOUR ENGINE WILL BOG DOWN AT RPMS....
THANKS ALL FOR THE HELP.

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