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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / September 2003

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How offten do you change oil?

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silverfox - 25 Sep 2003 00:01 GMT
Do you keep track of how often you pull your RV to change the oil in a
7.3 ? . Or should you change every 3000 miles to make sure you are doing
it as you should ?. The cost seems to be high for an oil change.
Fox.
bomar - 24 Sep 2003 23:33 GMT
5,000 miles
4 gallons of Shell Rotella @ 6.50 gallon = $26.00
Motorcraft 1995 oil filter 10.00
Total cost $36.00
Every 15,000 miles  new fuel filter $10.00 (buy in bulk from DIS)
So how is that so expensive?

> Do you keep track of how often you pull your RV to change the oil in a
> 7.3 ? . Or should you change every 3000 miles to make sure you are doing
> it as you should ?. The cost seems to be high for an oil change.
> Fox.
Doug Wilson - 25 Sep 2003 00:06 GMT
>Do you keep track of how often you pull your RV to change the oil in a
>7.3 ? . Or should you change every 3000 miles to make sure you are doing
>it as you should ?. The cost seems to be high for an oil change.
>Fox.

I'm changing every 3000 miles.  The maintenance cost is higher, but
offset somewhat by the fuel cost.

Doug Wilson
Mountain Home, NC

1999 Ford F-350 Crew Cab 4x4 diesel
2001 Hi Lo 240 D 1

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Mike Erb - 25 Sep 2003 14:44 GMT
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I keep track of my towing mileage (I tow a 11,000 5th wheel) and always change
the oil at 3,000 when towing.  If I don't tow, I change it between 3,000 and
4,000.  Some will argue this is excessive but I'd rather spend a little now
than a lot in repair bills later.  BTW, I have about 94k miles on the truck
right now.

Mike

>Do you keep track of how often you pull your RV to change the oil in a
>7.3 ? . Or should you change every 3000 miles to make sure you are doing
>it as you should ?. The cost seems to be high for an oil change.
>Fox.

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Don - 27 Sep 2003 01:04 GMT
Ok - I'm gonna jump into the middle of this - and admit I didn't see the
original question and possibly some followups - and risk the (perhaps
deserved) flame I'm gonna get - but here goes....

I have been a firm believer in synthetic oil since it first came out - yes -
way back then.  I normally change the oil in my cars (which obviously don't
tow trailers) every 20,000 miles.  (BTW, so far, I've stuck to Mobil 1).  I
just sold a Mazda 626 (1987) (surplus car is the only reason I sold it).  It
had 350,000 miles on it - the mechanics told me it had less internal noise
(wrist pin, etc) than some new engines he has heard.  Didn't use or leak a
drop.  Granted it was a Rice-burner engine.

On the trucks, I change my Isuzu Trooper every 20k also (can't tow a whole
bunch with 120 ponies).  Engine still like brand new at 100k.

I'm changing the oil in my F150 at 10k intervals since I tow a Hi-Lo with
it - I'd guess about 5,000 # on the hoof - of course without the wind drag.
The F150 has the 3.55 rear end so it has to pull and shift a lot - granted -
(BTW - see question below).  It has only 40k on it but so far, quiet and
solid.  Hope it stays that way.

I had an old Mercury Capri that I tore the engine apart at 215k to rebuilt
after running Mobil 1 in it the whole time.  (The only reason I went ahead
and rebuilt it was I had to take it out of the car cause I had the car
lowered (4" clear - handled nice though) and ripped the engine mount screws
out of the block on railroad tracks - yes it was a young and stupid time).
When I took it to the machine shop, they wouldn't believe it had those miles
on it and kept insisting I must mean 15k.  (this includes cam, cylinders,
etc).

Maybe my experience is unique but I'm sold.  I've had really good luck with
the synthetic and would recommend it to anyone - whether towing or not.  And
no, I'm not a distributer, salesman, etc, etc, etc.  Just sharing my
experience.

Now to my question:  I can't seem to find an answer on:  On towing with the
F150 (5.4L).  It does a lot of downshifting from 4-OD to 3rd on each grade
while towing.  Would you recommend disabling the overdrive to make it stay
in 3rd (with the inherent higher revs) or let it shift?  I get different
answers from every dealer, mechanic, friend, foe, etc.

Thanks,
Papa Don

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Chris Hill - 27 Sep 2003 13:58 GMT
>Ok - I'm gonna jump into the middle of this - and admit I didn't see the
>original question and possibly some followups - and risk the (perhaps
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>(wrist pin, etc) than some new engines he has heard.  Didn't use or leak a
>drop.  Granted it was a Rice-burner engine.

So what, the rest of the vehicle had had everything replaced at least
once, right?  I wouldn't extend oil change intervals while the engine
is under warranty, biproducts of combustion aren't removed by the
filter, they are removed by the oil change, and on a diesel (which was
the original subject here) there are a lot of biproducts.
David M - 27 Sep 2003 14:58 GMT
> Now to my question:  I can't seem to find an answer on:  On towing with
> the F150 (5.4L).  It does a lot of downshifting from 4-OD to 3rd on each
> grade while towing.  Would you recommend disabling the overdrive to make
> it stay in 3rd (with the inherent higher revs) or let it shift?  I get
> different answers from every dealer, mechanic, friend, foe, etc.

Everybody I have talked to says eventually you will burn up the OD by
towing with it, but I have done it too, and nothing bad has happened.
yet!  :-/

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rokkinhorse@webtv.net - 29 Sep 2003 05:48 GMT
Don,
When I tow, I leave it in 3rd, only allowing it into OD on straight flat
ground.
I figure all that downshifting is taking useful life off the
clutchpacks.
MHO

Randy
Chris Hill - 25 Sep 2003 15:21 GMT
>Do you keep track of how often you pull your RV to change the oil in a
>7.3 ? . Or should you change every 3000 miles to make sure you are doing
>it as you should ?. The cost seems to be high for an oil change.

I don't worry about it.  My trailer only weighs in at about 4,000,
though.  I change every 5k and that was confirmed to be fine even with
some towing according to a couple of oil analyses I had done.
JDub - 26 Sep 2003 05:29 GMT
> Do you keep track of how often you pull your RV to change the oil in a
> 7.3 ? . Or should you change every 3000 miles to make sure you are
> doing it as you should ?. The cost seems to be high for an oil change.
> Fox.

1) I'm not particularly savy about auto maintenance, which is why I usually
just lurk.
2) The following quote isn't specifically about RV's:

(From Car Talk) "Tom: Any recommended oil-change interval is just an
estimate anyway. The idea is to change the oil before it loses its ability
to properly lubricate the engine and hold contaminants in suspension. And
most car manufacturers think oil can perform those duties for at least 7,500
miles.
Ray: We happen to recommend an oil and filter change every 5,000 miles (or
about every six months). "

Comments?

It seems to me that people throw a lot of money away on oil changes (and
unnecessary high octane gas).

--
Josh
Tom J - 29 Sep 2003 01:34 GMT
> It seems to me that people throw a lot of money away on oil changes (and
> unnecessary high octane gas).

I agree with you up to a point.  I also tow most of the time with my truck and
change oil every 5,000 miles.  The reason I change at 5,000 miles is, I have a
100,000 mile extended warranty from Ford, and it states that the warranty is
void if the oil is not changed every 5,000 miles and makes no mention of
towing, so I don't change at 3,000.  I usually get another truck at around
100,000 miles anyway, because by then, all the accessory parts are failing and
becoming hard to find.

Tom J
rokkinhorse@webtv.net - 29 Sep 2003 05:44 GMT
I've changed oil even more frequently than 3K miles when my wife was
commuting less than 2 miles to work each day.
The problem is that the engine never quite got up to actual
running/operating  temperature, which caused sludge to begin forming
from accumulation of water condensing in the crankcase oil.
It was also MURDER on my muffler, which dripped water long after the
engine was shut off.
Synthetic oil helped by not being as susceptible to this as conventional
oils.
My humble experience.
Summary: How often you change oil should be dictated by the type of
driving you do, how frequently you can afford it and your own personal
convictions on what works best for you/yours.
I choose to "over"-maintain my Broncos.
I figure the peace of mind and longevity are the payback....
Even using synthetic oil, I change/drain the crankcase at 3k or less.
Trans fluid (convertor drain too) and filter at 25K or less (also
synthetic). Transfercase (syn ATF) @ 10K or less.
YMMV

Randy
 
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