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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / April 2007Ford Recalls 37000 New Diesel truck
One reason why you never want the first model year of any new engine design. http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/21/news/companies/ford_recall.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes ----------------- TheSnoMan.com Yeah, and if the government didn't have their noses into mechanical things, that never would have happened. Blame the fukin treehuggers.  SignatureSteve Barker YOU should be the one controlling YOUR car. Check out: www.lightsout.org > One reason why you never want the first model year of any new engine > design. > > http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/21/news/companies/ford_recall.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com > One reason why you never want the first model year of any new engine > design. > > http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/21/news/companies/ford_recall.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com "In one case in Texas, a truck's hot tailpipe set off a grass fire when the driver pulled off the road, a Ford spokesman said." And how is this Ford's fault? "The software upgrade will reset the powertrain control module on the Ford trucks. In cases where the system detects unusually high temperatures in the diesel particulate filter, the control module will power down the vehicle. The aim is to allow drivers to pull safely to the side of the road to allow it to cool before proceeding" A stupid reaction to a non-issue, all to keep government treehuggers happy. What if this occurs while you're trying to merge onto the interstate while pulling a 20,000 lb trailer? I could envision accidents caused because of this so-called fix. SignatureDavid M (dmacchiarolo) http://home.triad.rr.com/redsled T/S 53 sled351 Linux 2.4.18-14 has been up 16 days 21:15 >A stupid reaction to a non-issue, all to keep government >treehuggers happy. What if this occurs while you're trying to merge onto >the interstate while pulling a 20,000 lb trailer? I could envision >accidents caused because of this so-called fix. You know that we all breath the same air and diesels are very dirty emissions wise in some regards and they have operated under a loop hole in law that was recently closed and now they have to play by rules simular to what gas engines have been playing by for over 30 years now. Do not blame the treehuggers for this if anything blame detriot for exploiting the loop hole for many years and now that it is closing they are going to have a lot of problems trying to keep those engines compliant. Diesel are very big NOx generators by nature but that will soon end and they also squeaked by on HC and other levels for years with forced induction to make PPM appear lower but the probem is that deluting the air flow may indeed reduce PPM it does not reduce GPM (Gram Per Mile) and this new requiremt it going to cause them a lot of problems in the future. The unfair edge that diesel have is going away soon. See I can remember when gas engine had no emission rules as I was driving then too and they had some awesome engines then and wouls still have today if they had not be force into compliance in 70's. It is a classic kneejerk reaction to blame the tree huggers when your "dirty" engine is finally made to comply with the emission requirements that the gas fleet has been doing for years. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:59:43 +0000, SnoBlower rearranged some electrons to form: > Do not blame the treehuggers for this if anything blame > detriot for exploiting the loop hole for many years and now that it is > closing they are going to have a lot of problems trying to keep those > engines compliant. > > TheSnoBlower.com As usual, you missed the point. SignatureDavid M (dmacchiarolo) http://home.triad.rr.com/redsled T/S 53 sled351 Linux 2.4.18-14 has been up 17 days 13:34 >On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:59:43 +0000, SnoBlower rearranged some electrons >to form: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >As usual, you missed the point. No I did not, you simply did not get the point. It is time to pay the piper for diesel engines. The main reason they escaped compliance was because the "excuse" that the fuel had too much sulpher in it which would negate some emission controls. Well the sulpher is going to be gone so there is no more excuses. (they started taking/phasing sulpher out of gas in 1972 and it is long overdue for diesels) ----------------- TheSnoMan.com On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:04:23 +0000, SnoBlower rearranged some electrons to form: >>On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:59:43 +0000, SnoBlower rearranged some electrons >>to form: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > No I did not > TheSnoBlower.com Yes you did. Nobody cares about your "I Hate Diesel, I Love My 30-Year Old Piece Of sh.t Chevy" rants. Your most recent spewing has nothing to do with whether "suddenly and without any warning, shut the engine off when the muffler gets hot" is a good 'fix'. SignatureDavid M (dmacchiarolo) http://home.triad.rr.com/redsled T/S 53 sled351 Linux 2.4.18-14 has been up 18 days 30 min >> No I did not >> TheSnoBlower.com [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > is a good 'fix'. Some people you just can't reach, Dave. You can't fix stupid. Spdloader >>> No I did not >>> TheSnoBlower.com [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Spdloader Ain't that the truth. SignatureDavid M (dmacchiarolo) http://home.triad.rr.com/redsled T/S 53 sled351 Linux 2.4.18-14 has been up 18 days 7:40 >>> No I did not >>> TheSnoBlower.com [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Spdloader Yes, in typical Snoblower fashion, he ignored the question that he knows zilch about, and instead, spewed about something that he knows even less about. "Ignorance is bliss" --> Snoblower. He doesn't even know he's stupid. SignatureDavid M (dmacchiarolo) http://home.triad.rr.com/redsled T/S 53 sled351 Linux 2.4.18-14 has been up 18 days 7:50 >Yes you did. Nobody cares about your "I Hate Diesel, I Love >My 30-Year Old Piece Of sh.t Chevy" rants. Where did I say that??? BTW I do not even have a 30 year old chevy either. I am just not blindly in love with oil burners. I have been around them all my life and likely longer than you from farming and other applications and I know their quirks and limitations plus what a pain in the a.s they can be in extremely cold weather (we used to use a gas tractor to feed with in winter with because it would always start without having to be plugged in and you never had to worry about mixing fuel or the the fuel waxing or gelling either as I have seen it turn to jelly in fuel filters at 25 to 30 below. They have their merits but they are not a cure all as many promote and their owners seem to be the most insecure at times and upset when you even suggest that they are not as great as they claim them to be. Take away the NOx generating boost from your engine it would struggle to move a load from a stop or climb a hill. Add half that amount of boost to a properly feed and built gas motor of the same size and it would walk away from a oil burner so far it would be like it puts its brakes on. BTW it was supercharged "gas" motors that you hate that won WW2 in the air so they were successfully boosting them long before it was done to a oil burner. The only reason that it is not in wide use today is because of John Q Publics foundness for 87 octane which would be a death sentence for a properly supercharged gas motor. To run a supercharger with 87 octane you have to limit timing so severely that no where near it potentail is obtained. I had a few freinds that actually had suppercharged street rods in 70's and they were down right scarey with the power they had and it the instant you cracked the throttle too. BTW they tried diesel aircraft engines once but they proved to be a big failure and was abandoned long ago. If they had forced compliance on them long ago there would not be near as many of them around today in SUV's. Do not take my word for it just watch what happens with them in next several years. The future does not belong to them. Also watch the price of the fuel for them because in a bad winter it can exceed the price of gas by more than 1 dollar (it has here) and when you factor in that and the option cost and maintainance and so on you simply do not save any money with them at all anymore either. (you are loosing money) ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>Yes you did. Nobody cares about your "I Hate Diesel, I Love >>My 30-Year Old Piece Of sh.t Chevy" rants. <Snip of the usual mindnumbing BS> You just can't seem to help yourself can ya? Is there a day that goes by that you don't step on your dick in some ng? Do yourself a favor and STFU! Here's your new sig. Enjoy! > ----------------- > TheUltimateTrollMan.com > >Yes you did. Nobody cares about your "I Hate Diesel, I Love > >My 30-Year Old Piece Of sh.t Chevy" rants. > > Where did I say that??? Which month of which year? > BTW I do not even have a 30 year old chevy > either. Could be he was thinking of when you last changed your underwear... > I am just not blindly in love with oil burners. No, you're blindly in love with mid-grade gasoline burners. > I have been > around them all my life and likely longer than you What ever you say Moses. (that's a guy from the Bible) > from farming and > other applications and I know their quirks and limitations plus what a > pain in the a.s they can be in extremely cold weather Could very well be for someone who has demonstrated limited technical skills. > (we used to use > a gas tractor to feed with in winter with because it would always > start without having to be plugged in and you never had to worry about > mixing fuel or the the fuel waxing or gelling either as I have seen it > turn to jelly in fuel filters at 25 to 30 below. Interesting that you recognized your limitations and found a work around. (whoda thunk?) > They have their > merits but they are not a cure all as many promote and their owners > seem to be the most insecure at times and upset when you even suggest > that they are not as great as they claim them to be. You're projecting... > Take away the NOx > generating boost from your engine it would struggle to move a load > from a stop or climb a hill. Just couldn't stop yourself from hopping up on your NOx soapbox, could ya? Take away your hydrocarbon filled air conditioning system and jacked ignition timing and you would just be another sweaty gas powered Chevy driver struggling to move an empty truck out of its own way. > Add half that amount of boost to a > properly feed and built gas motor of the same size and it would walk > away from a oil burner so far it would be like it puts its brakes on. The proof being; that's what Cummins, Caterpiller, IH, Perkins, Allis Chalmers, Detroit Diesel, et.al. have been doing for decades. Not! > BTW it was supercharged "gas" motors that you hate that won WW2 in the > air so they were successfully boosting them long before it was done to > a oil burner. I wonder how many Allied deaths could be attributed to the increased volatility of the (gasoline) fuel used? It certainly was a factor in the number of dead and injured in Sherman tanks. > The only reason that it is not in wide use today is > because of John Q Publics foundness for 87 octane which would be a > death sentence for a properly supercharged gas motor. Sounds like a vast John Q Public conspiracy to me. Quick, call Hillary! > To run a > supercharger with 87 octane you have to limit timing so severely that > no where near it potentail is obtained. You're really a Kindergarten teacher, aren't you? > I had a few freinds that > actually had suppercharged street rods in 70's and they were down > right scarey with the power they had and it the instant you cracked > the throttle too. I'll bet they were right tasty also. > BTW they tried diesel aircraft engines once but they > proved to be a big failure and was abandoned long ago. Or, turbines were perfected to the point where they just plain weren't necessary to begin with. > If they had > forced compliance on them long ago there would not be near as many of > them around today in SUV's. Two points here; 1) any increased compliance would simply have been met by earlier application of new technologies, just like any other industry faces. 2) A scofflaw such as yourself has no business mentioning "compliance," to begin with. > Do not take my word for it just watch what > happens with them in next several years. If you told me that the sky was blue, I'd want independent proof. > The future does not belong to > them. And when you're proven wrong, you'll own up to that erroneous statement just have you have(n't) done for so many others, right? > Also watch the price of the fuel for them because in a bad > winter it can exceed the price of gas by more than 1 dollar An issue for you because you don't know the difference between price and value. > (it has > here) Maybe they don't like you anymore than we do. > and when you factor in that and the option cost Option cost sticks to the resale value. > and > maintainance Yeah, they just chew thru spark plugs, distributor caps, rotors, ignition wires. Yup, Cummins could only hope to have as few injector problems as GM has with their gasoline engines. > and so on you simply do not save any money with them at > all anymore either. (you are loosing money) Explain how it is I could sell my 97 Ram 2500 4X4 Diesel for more than I paid for it after owning it for a year? (didn't "loose" any money) SnoMan: > The future does not belong to them. Europe has been moving to the diesel for years and America will follow. Cleaner fuels such as biodiesel (made here in the good ol USA) will gradually replace a good percentage of petroleum diesel, although not all, especially in cold climates. SignaturePee Pee Firefighter _\ _ /_ ____|_|______ __________________________ || @| | | ||_________________________ | ||_/| |___| || | | | | | | | | | | | | | | PeePee Fire || """""""""""""""""""""""" | | Dept || OOO | | ___ "" !!! ___ ___ |__ |___/ \_____________________/ \/ \___(_| \___/ \___/\___/ "Pee Pee Phirephighter" <pp@phirephighter.org> wrote in message > Cleaner fuels such as biodiesel (made here in the good ol USA) will > gradually replace a good percentage of petroleum diesel, although not all, > especially in cold climates. Not until the guv-mint figures out how to tax it. Matt Macchiarolo: > Not until the guv-mint figures out how to tax it. Biodiesel is already taxed. 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