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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / May 2007Ford's support of homosexuality hurting sales
There is a boycott of Ford for over a year now because of their open and aggressive support of homosexual groups and homosexual marriage. So last month their sales performance was again one of the worst in the industry. Will management and the stockholders ever wake up? >>> Ford sales analyst George Pipas acknowledged that April was a "challenging" month. "Most of the shortfall to our expectations as well as our expectations for the industry were on the retail side," he said in a call following the report. "However, on balance, we believe we are making progress toward improving the profitability of our business in North America. Pipas said retail sales fell 17% while fleet sales slipped 5%. Car sales, suffering from the absence of the Taurus sedan, took the brunt of the blame, down 23.6% to 80,732, while the truck side fared better, down 5.8% to 147,891 vehicles. Sales of the flagship F-Series pickup shed 12.4% to 56,692 trucks. In the luxury Premier Auto Group, Jaguar and Volvo endured double-digit declines while Land Rover saw its sales jump 12.7% thanks to demand for the LR2 SUV. Wall Street had forecast a seasonally adjusted annual sales rate of 16 million vehicles, according to Thomson Financial. GM sales analyst Paul Ballew said the SAAR was shaping up to be about 16.3 million light vehicles. "Final numbers as they play themselves out for the month are probably not as severe as some observers were stating mid-month or guesstimating as the month was unfolding," he said.<<< > There is a boycott of Ford for over a year now because of their open and > aggressive support of homosexual groups and homosexual marriage. So [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > not as severe as some observers were stating mid-month or guesstimating > as the month was unfolding," he said.<<< i would never support anything that is full of hate for anyone. if the only argument against homosexuality is religion...get real. jesus would have included everyone and excluded noone. if christians could pull their own heads out of their own a.ses long enough to realize this...i think this world would be a much better place for everyone. >> There is a boycott of Ford for over a year now because of their open and >> aggressive support of homosexual groups and homosexual marriage. So [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > pull their own heads out of their own a.ses long enough to realize > this...i think this world would be a much better place for everyone. Homosexuality is a learned trait that has no basis in natural law. There is no other mammal species that will select a same sex partner for life. Yes, a dog will bone another dog of the same sex, but a dog will bone a fence post if he feels like it. Homosexual lifestyles are a deviation of nature. This has nothing to do with religion, however, religion does frown upon being homosexual. Don't put words in my mouth, I don't care that people choose to be gay or not. I only care that somebody would make policy based on sexual deviance. Having said that, I would not buy a new Ford because I think I get better value in a used one -- I am currently in the market for a Ford truck, and the fact that they market to gays makes absoulutely no difference to me. I think it is stupid to market specifically to gays, but I see nothing inherently wrong that would affect my decision to buy their product. I can assure you that there will be no queers in heaven. It's not hard to read the scripture and know that being queer is an abomination to God.  SignatureSteve Barker > i would never support anything that is full of hate for anyone. if > the only argument against homosexuality is religion...get real. jesus > would have included everyone and excluded noone. if christians could > pull their own heads out of their own a.ses long enough to realize > this...i think this world would be a much better place for everyone. > I can assure you that there will be no queers in heaven. It's not hard to > read the scripture and know that being queer is an abomination to God. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > pull their own heads out of their own a.ses long enough to realize > > this...i think this world would be a much better place for everyone. and i can assure you that there will be no one in heaven. if you REALLY believe in such a place, you are so far disconnected from reality...it would be funny...only it's not. religion was created to keep the retards in line. looks like it's working. religion is all but dead in most of europe, sadly there are too many inbred folks here in the u.s. to see this happen in my lifetime. when will people wake up and see christianity for what it is? it's a mask for the hypocrits, a safety net for people who do bad things, and a device of control for those in power. take a look at plato's republic...if you have the intellect for it. this was written before christianity was ever thought of, and it explains the need for religion in a modern society to keep order and civility. it explains the need for the lies and the liars. sadly, the ones that are "in the know" are often the ones who use it against the ones that aren't smart enough to see through the curtain at the guy pulling the strings. do you really believe that gOD would want us to kill eachother in his name? try to think of a single war that hasn't been waged in hIS name, i can't. do you really thing gOD would stand by and watch countless babies die from starvation in third world countries? do you really believe gOD would allow children to be sexually, physically, mentally, and emotionally abused here and abroad? do you think gOD would watch a young baby starve to death slowly and painfully...or die from AIDS? gOD has become an excuse for us to sit back and "pray" (in other words, do nothing and still feel good about ourselves). get real. the sooner we ALL wake up, the better off this world will be. when we stop putting everything off on gOD and start taking responsibility for our own actions...we can move forward and continue to evolve into a much more peaceful species. it's really sad to see how many people still believe in the fairy tale, and after so long. gOD, like the easter bunny and santa, was made up so people would "act right". it hasn't worked so far, but why haven't we moved on to another tactic? i have no idea. stop using homosexuals as a scape goat, stop using labels period and let people love who they want to love. if it doesn't involve you directly, it truly is none of your f.cking business! point made. keep your head out of other people's bedrooms, and live your life. it doesn't affect you in any way. most people hate gays because of something they see in themselves deep down that they hate. so they rebel against it by using gays as a scape goat. one good example....reverend haggard. if you don't know who this f.cker is, look him up. he's the best example i can give of a hypocrit using religion as a mask for his own sexual desires. and if you don't believe or want to believe a word i have said, that's totally up to you. i will remind you though....judge not lest ye be judged. why are things like the teachings of jesus conveniently forgotten when they are so important in keeping peace in our world? >> I can assure you that there will be no queers in heaven. It's not hard >> to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > and i can assure you that there will be no one in heaven. if you > REALLY believe in such a place, you are so far disconnected from Conversely, it could be you that is disconnected. I prefer to live as though there is Heaven and try to get there than to live as though there is no Heaven and be locked out when it turns out I was wrong. > >> I can assure you that there will be no queers in heaven. It's not hard > >> to [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > as though there is no Heaven and be locked out when it turns out I was > wrong. then live how you choose to live, and if there is a heaven then i guess i'll be missing out. but for you to say that what i choose to do with my life is "immoral" or wrong.....is...well.."immoral" AND wrong. to boycott a company for treating people as equals, that's just judgemental...but to spread the word like you have attempted to do...that's just plain hateful. i refuse to think that there would be any hateful people in heaven. consequently, we'll be having one hell of a bbq in hell together. >> >> I can assure you that there will be no queers in heaven. It's not >> >> hard [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > any hateful people in heaven. consequently, we'll be having one hell > of a bbq in hell together. I'm not boycotting anybody. As for being treated as equals, I do not buy it for one second. Nobody at Ford has identified me as a group for whom they need to specifically market, so you are not being treated equal. They (Ford) has singled you out for special treatment, treatment for which others apparently feel slighted. I see no reason to identify sexual preference in order to sell a car. Ford should sell cars that are fun to drive, reliable, good looking, whatever. These are qualities that people should desire no matter what they do in the bedroom. To suggest that they have the exact same car for you -- a gay person -- that makes gayness look cool or exciting or whatever, then try to sell the same car to me, of course I'm going to say to myself, "I don't want to look gay by driving that car, I'm going to buy something else." Ford made a marketing decision to single out somebody to target a national advertising campaign, but apparently failed to understand that people that are not part of the singled-out group do not want to be associated with that product. Ford made a serious blunder. It should sell its cars to everybody, or whomever is not the target group of the advertising might reject the product. It's not hate that drives the decision to not buy a Ford, it's the notion that Fords are driven by gays and I'm not gay so I won't drive a Ford. Ford created an association that people do not want to be part of. >and i can assure you that there will be no one in heaven. if you >REALLY believe in such a place, you are so far disconnected from [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] >judged. why are things like the teachings of jesus conveniently >forgotten when they are so important in keeping peace in our world? Well said TechAZ ! try to think of a single war that hasn't been waged in hIS >>name, i can't. Actually no matter what you believe, at the dawn of history man fought for food, territory, and women.........which still sounds like an evening at home after work for me. :) IYM OK Perhaps Ford is not selling very well because it is just not a great car when compared to Toy, VW, Honda, dare i say Mazda who they share some great stuff with. Support of gay marrage would have nothing to do with the price of tea. Now that religion thing > > I can assure you that there will be no queers in heaven. It's not hard to > > read the scripture and know that being queer is an abomination to God. Give Dividicus a read, it is a hoot. Forgive the spelling. > > -- > > Steve Barker [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > pull their own heads out of their own a.ses long enough to realize > > > this...i think this world would be a much better place for everyone. You about have it there. " let he who has not sinned cast the first stone" > and i can assure you that there will be no one in heaven. if you > REALLY believe in such a place, you are so far disconnected from > reality...it would be funny...only it's not. > religion was created to keep the retards in line. Well Thank you.. I certainly appreciate that. looks like it's > working. religion is all but dead in most of europe, sadly there are > too many inbred folks here in the u.s. to see this happen in my > lifetime. when will people wake up and see christianity for what it > is? it's a mask for the hypocrits, a safety net for people who do bad > things, and a device of control for those in power. Here is where you miss the point and do exactly what you are accusing others of. Most Truly religious people I know are pretty good. Most churches do excellent work ( this includes non christian variations , even Islam.) There has been some inpropriety when dealing with religious leaders and their off the rails abuse of people: But on the whole that is a minority of ( let me use the term )Priests . > take a look at plato's republic...if you have the intellect for it. > this was written before christianity was ever thought of, and it [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > name? try to think of a single war that hasn't been waged in hIS > name, i can't. That is rubish. Find one that has... Ireland was (is) a struggle for independance from a conqueror, Iraqu was secular, WW2 imperialistic, The US Civil war, power. Afghanistan a striking out at an American ( foreign ) interferance on another culture. Bosnia, Old power and influence issues. Korea, expansionism, Vietnam, political. do you really thing gOD would stand by and watch > countless babies die from starvation in third world countries? do you > really believe gOD would allow children to be sexually, physically, > mentally, and emotionally abused here and abroad? do you think gOD > would watch a young baby starve to death slowly and painfully...or die > from AIDS? gOD has become an excuse for us to sit back and "pray" (in > other words, do nothing and still feel good about ourselves). We are given freedom of choice. That choice includes reading Socrates, Plato and all the other great thinkers. The Qur'an, the Bible, the Book of Morman all deserve a look as well. If you want to whine about starvation, do something. Are there food banks where you live, there are here. Housing issues? a community centre serving less fortunate? Perhaps someone in your circle helps with a hospital in West Africa. We have a choice to help or stand in the way. God ( oh, there is one !) has given you and me the oportunity to do something. Here is the rub , Organized religion is a great tool for that. Networking through a church, mosque, synagogue is a great way to get like minded people to help rebuild a house, make a food bank work, topple a regime. The church in Poland peacefully moved the country ahead and did it in my lifetime. My church for example has a doctor that started and is the driving force behind a hospital in Guana, we run a food bank, support a low income community in hunderds of small ways, have members in provincial, municipal and federal office driving things. The churchs here started the schools, all of them. Now that has changed. It was the Churches that opened the hospitals, that too has changed. These are good things and societys taking it over is good. I think you get it . > get real. the sooner we ALL wake up, the better off this world will > be. when we stop putting everything off on gOD and start taking > responsibility for our own actions...we can move forward and continue > to evolve into a much more peaceful species. You have to start with some rules. One ( the golden rule ) transends all religions, Even Islam. "Do unto others as you would have done unto you, wish nothing on your enemy you would not have fall on to you." Mohamed used the word Enemy, I hope the issues were in the translation and not the Arabic script. > it's really sad to see how many people still believe in the fairy > tale, and after so long. gOD, like the easter bunny and santa, was > made up so people would "act right". it hasn't worked so far, but why > haven't we moved on to another tactic? i have no idea. What part is not based in fact. Jesus Christ is a peice of history, A real guy. His devinity may be questioned but the lessons are a basis for western society. Mohamid was real too. > stop using homosexuals as a scape goat, stop using labels period and > let people love who they want to love. if it doesn't involve you [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > look him up. he's the best example i can give of a hypocrit using > religion as a mask for his own sexual desires. He is the best but allas not the only one. That is a given. The US has about 300,000,000 people. Some will be a littl " off '". > and if you don't believe or want to believe a word i have said, that's > totally up to you. i will remind you though....judge not lest ye be > judged. This one is well taken but it has to be practiced by everyone in an even handed informed way. As for homosexuality, My church frowns on it. There are real reasons but they kind of don't hold up. We have gay priests and nuns, we have criminals, saints, leaders, followers. What you see on the street is what we have in church. I likely have more gay friends than I know. I have one who is a minister. ( great lady ) Because of doctrine the RC church will not accept momosexuality as an acceptable life style. The United church and the Anglicans are not so strict. They all do great work. I remember when the Masons would not accept Jews, Catholics, Blacks or Women: The Knights of Columbus are a bit fussy too. People do these things. A God exists, Heaven,,,WE will see , I am not that curious though. Good luck with that Ford Truck Alex McGruer why are things like the teachings of jesus conveniently > forgotten when they are so important in keeping peace in our world?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - People dislike aboration, am abnormal life atyle will frighten folks. Just nature... I was in a resort and the owner came in to serve a lady. He has a serious disfigurement on his face. When he turned around the lady was caught off guard and screamed. The lady was very embaraced, The owner has shrugged this response off a thousand times and I though it was funny as hell. My silly point is we are all human. Alex McGruer > OK Perhaps Ford is not selling very well because it is just not a > great car when compared to Toy, VW, Honda, dare i say Mazda who they > share some great stuff with. Toyata builds an acceptable car, nothing outstanding, And I dont feel like digging out all the things such as comaprrson of recalls and bulletins between ford and the foreign that I have posted here i the past.. Surfiice to say that the last year I used was 2005, and fords focus had fewer than toyota's flag ship. Every survey I read says VW has dependablity issues, but then thats been for ever, The bug was beloved because it was cheap to buy, and cheap for parts. Honda didnt fare well ether in a comparrison of recalls and bulletins in 2005. Some of fords worst have been basaclly rebadged Mazdas. Such as the latter year Escorts(not that the early ones were much better, but nether were the Mazda 323s). The ford Probe was pure Mazda. The Contour and its sibling the Mistique were Mazda based drive trains with drivablity issues out the gazoo. Yet the battle wagons like the LTDs, Crown Vics, Mercury Marquis, Lincoln Town Cars, the smaller Mustangs ie real fords just keep going and going and going. To the others anti relgious in belief: There are furit cakes in all walks of life. My religion says love the sinner, hate the sin. I wont condemn the person, its not my place, but I dont have to tolerate the actions and lifestyles,that I am not supposed to do. I'll say the act of what ever sin is wrong and thats the end of it. Or as Jesus said render on to God that which is God's, and Cesear that which is Ceaser's. Providing support, ie housing, medical care, food to those who need it is our duty. And it really doesnt have anything to dio with religion, other than christians are called to do it. Man in general on a basic moral principal is called to do it. But with out something concrete, what is morality? If morality is is a man based thing, then it can change, and something immoral yesterday becomes moral tomorrow. Where is the morality in that? The power of choice was given to man. I choose to believe. If you choose not to believe thats your right, and when its all over we will see who is right and who is wrong. I'll support and defend your right not to believe, I gave more than a few years of my life doing that as a soldier. And I ask nothing in return other than you support others rights to believe as they will. Whitelightning It's not a religious argument folks. Homosexuality is against the basic laws of nature. It is repugnant to many, but also many hesitant accept it but would rather not have this sick and perverse practice pushed in their face. Ford is supporting homosexuality and helping fund of its promotion. As such they have brought a boycott on themselves. Now many car makers sales are down, but Ford is one of the worst performers. Maybe with the business downturn their sales would only be down about half or less from what they really are. Ford was asked to remain neutral and stay out of cultural wars like homosexuality. They said they would, lied, and did not. As a result, please don't buy Ford products. I will NEVER buy another Ford as a result of their current support of homosexuality. I just read this morning that the Ford family is having internal fighting among the family shareholders of the stock over this. They know the boycott is hurting the company and its sales. But I guess Bill Ford does not care. Makes you wonder. > OK Perhaps Ford is not selling very well because it is just not a > great car when compared to Toy, VW, Honda, dare i say Mazda who they [quoted text clipped - 163 lines] > My silly point is we are all human. > Alex McGruer > It's not a religious argument folks. Homosexuality is against the basic > laws of nature. It is repugnant to many, but also many hesitant accept it [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > boycott is hurting the company and its sales. But I guess Bill Ford does > not care. Makes you wonder. Ford is hurting, there is no doubt about that. Are they hurting because they support gays, or are they hurting because they hung their hat on the sales of trucks and SUVs? I suspect the latter is of more importance to their current position. > There is a boycott of Ford for over a year now because of their open and > aggressive support of homosexual groups and homosexual marriage. So > last month their sales performance was again one of the worst in the > industry. Will management and the stockholders ever wake up? Bullshit. The "boycott" against Ford was supported by "Reverend" Donald Wildmon, a washed-up, has-been, dumbshit holyroller from Tupelo, MS, who is the self-appointed head of the "American Family Association." Wildom boycotts everything -- Disney, Ford, Proctor and Gamble, good sense -- you name it, he's against it. No one pays any attention to him except for a few loony evangelicals who spend most of their time waiting for the rapture. Wildmon's "boycott" didn't cost Ford a thing. In fact, the parking lot at the biblethumping, holyrolling, speakin-in-tongues church up the road from me is filled with new or almost-new Fords. > >>> Ford sales analyst George Pipas acknowledged that April was a > "challenging" month. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > not as severe as some observers were stating mid-month or guesstimating > as the month was unfolding," he said.<<< They can't win, can they? The Old Man was branded an anti-Semite for years because he was one of many who believed in the Zionist conspiracy theory - and now when they try to be a little tolerant of folks a little different, they are being slammed yet again. Or maybe it is the half-witted consumers? If you want to tie a knot, find a Boy Scout. That is all they are good for. What the Hell happened to taking the bad with the good, anyway? Personally, if you make judgments like this, drive a VW, you damned Nazis. How do you like being on the receiving end of bone-headed intolerance, SFB? God. Please give me patience. S. ========= > There is a boycott of Ford for over a year now because of their open and > aggressive support of homosexual groups and homosexual marriage. So [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > not as severe as some observers were stating mid-month or guesstimating > as the month was unfolding," he said.<<< > There is a boycott of Ford for over a year now because of their open and > aggressive support of homosexual groups and homosexual marriage. So > last month their sales performance was again one of the worst in the > industry. Will management and the stockholders ever wake up? Hey, moron, Ford's sales have been declining for over a decade, so your pathetic little boycott is NOT a factor. It's a factor when dealer groups write Ford to complain about Ford's funding of homosexual marriage. The best thing a company can do it to just stay neutral on these issues. They have no business funding homosexual agendas. It's one thing to market to homosexuals, it's quite another thing to promote and fund a pervert lifestyle. http://www.afa.net/ford081006.asp >> There is a boycott of Ford for over a year now because of their open and >> aggressive support of homosexual groups and homosexual marriage. So [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Hey, moron, Ford's sales have been declining for over a decade, so your > pathetic little boycott is NOT a factor. |
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