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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / November 2007FUll sized pickup w/ 8' bed questions
I need to haul 4x8 foot sheets of rigid plastic material for my small business. As much as I like my Ranger, I have to install a platform, part of which sets on the lowered tailgate, and I can handle this plus the odd 51x100" sizes. With the average bed liner, can a full size haul 4x8 foot sheets with the tailgate up? I would carry 600 Lbs average about 10 miles, but may need to carry 1,200lbs. I will not need to tow anything, maybe 2000 lbs a couple times a year. The truck would also be my daily driver. I'm thinking of a 5spd V6 for mileage. Something used 2-4 years old. Not sure about the Fords because V6 gas mileage seems low. Thanks >I need to haul 4x8 foot sheets of rigid plastic material for my small >business. As much as I like my Ranger, I have to install a platform, part [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Thanks I can address one of the questions, the Ford F150 and up full size (longbeds) are 97-1/2 inches. That will accommodate a full size 4 x 8 sheet of whatever. Spdloader >>I need to haul 4x8 foot sheets of rigid plastic material for my small >>business. As much as I like my Ranger, I have to install a platform, part [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Spdloader Also, I think the gas mileage will be terrible no matter what engine size you get. The 2007 Chevy is rated for 15 mpg with either a V6 manual or a V-8 automatic. The Dodge is rated for 14 with either a V-6 manual or a 4.7 V-8 or a Hemi automatic. Go figure. It might be cheaper all around to use a trailer instead. >Also, I think the gas mileage will be terrible no matter what engine size >you get. The 2007 Chevy is rated for 15 mpg with either a V6 manual or a V-8 >automatic. The Dodge is rated for 14 with either a V-6 manual or a 4.7 V-8 >or a Hemi automatic. Go figure. Yeah but ratings and realty are two different things here. The hemi can use fuel at times like there is a hole in the tank in town driving. (especailly 4x4 model because front diff never disconnects and EPA MPG test does not take that into account properly on dyno. >It might be cheaper all around to use a trailer instead. I think that this may really be his best solution. He could even get a small low profiles 5 x 8 or even a 5x10 enclosed trailer and be able to keep cargo out of weather and secure too. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com I carry a full-width sheet of plywood in the bed of my F150. I have the short box so I cannot address the 8 ft. part of your question, but there is no question that 4 ft will fit between the wheel wells. Since there is little difference in the mileage of the V6 and the V8, I'd take the V8 and consider the trailer package, even if you have no plan to ever drag a trailer. >I need to haul 4x8 foot sheets of rigid plastic material for my small >business. As much as I like my Ranger, I have to install a platform, part [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Thanks >Since there is little difference in the mileage of the V6 and the V8, I'd >take the V8 and consider the trailer package, even if you have no plan to >ever drag a trailer. Normally I would agree but even a few MPG difference can add up to a lot over time and fuel prices will only increase with time. If you spend a lot of time idling in traffic or elsewhere, a 6 will use less fuel. Why pay a for a or feed a V8 if you never need one anyway? If gas goes much higher, used trucks trucks with 6's will fetch more money than ones with V8's. Myslef I like the feel of a V8 but not its hunger at today and tomorrows fuel prices. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>Since there is little difference in the mileage of the V6 and the V8, I'd >>take the V8 and consider the trailer package, even if you have no plan to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > hunger at today and tomorrows fuel prices. > ----------------- At highway speeds where 80% of us spend 90% of our time, the mileage difference is insignificant (if not entirely non-existant), but the power and torque is noticable. I might compromise and take the mid-size V8 as opposed to the large one. Having said that, I was looking for a 5.4 but could not find one with the other stuff that was important to me, so I took a 4.9. I'm pretty happy with my motor, it has much the same power as my old 5.8 in the Bronco. Yes, the Bronco could pull stronger, but the F150 pulls almost as well and delivers 50% better fuel numbers. >>>Since there is little difference in the mileage of the V6 and the V8, I'd >>>take the V8 and consider the trailer package, even if you have no plan to [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > my old 5.8 in the Bronco. Yes, the Bronco could pull stronger, but the > F150 pulls almost as well and delivers 50% better fuel numbers. You are talking about Ford's modular over head cam 4.6 V-8, not their obsolete 4.9 I-6, right? >>>>Since there is little difference in the mileage of the V6 and the V8, >>>>I'd [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > You are talking about Ford's modular over head cam 4.6 V-8, not their > obsolete 4.9 I-6, right? I said 4.9, but frankly I do not recall and do not want to walk across the garage to open the hood. But, yes, I'm talking about the modular motors. I've got the 280-ish CI displacement model, I suppose that works out to be 4.6L. In any case, the 4.6 and the 5.4 are the same bore, only the stroke is different. Does that mean the crankshaft has a longer stroke and the connecting rods are shorter? This would make the pistons come down lower but stop at essentially the same point at the top, but increase the stroke and displacement at the same time. >At highway speeds where 80% of us spend 90% of our time, the mileage >difference is insignificant (if not entirely non-existant), but the power >and torque is noticable. Not sure about where you get this 80% of use, 90% of our time thing. There are a lot of people town and cities towns around here with no highways and some people that do not drive that far to work either. Some small V8's can get fair MPG under the right conditons but generally a smaller engine will deliver more CONSISTANT MPG and cost less to buy to which is reflected in overall operating cost of vehicle in its life. At todays fuel prices even a few MPG can easily add up to well over 1500 bucks over life of vehicle. Not to mention less frequent fuel stops too. In a way this "gotta have a V8 and a big SUV" mentality has helped get us in the pickle we are today. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>At highway speeds where 80% of us spend 90% of our time, the mileage >>difference is insignificant (if not entirely non-existant), but the power >>and torque is noticable. > > Not sure about where you get this 80% of use, It doesn't make any difference. The EPA ratings for the V6 and the V8's are all the same. Could be a lie, I guess, but without buying all 3 myself, that's all I'd have to go by. >>> At highway speeds where 80% of us spend 90% of our time, the mileage >>> difference is insignificant (if not entirely non-existant), but the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > V8's are all the same. Could be a lie, I guess, but without buying > all 3 myself, that's all I'd have to go by. They are close to the same because you need to expend close to the same amount of energy, regardless of engine size, to keep these bricks moving down the road. >They are close to the same because you need to expend close >to the same amount of energy, regardless of engine size, to keep >these bricks moving down the road. Not really, bigger engine weighs more and has more surface area in cylinders to loose heat from expanding gasses which reduces efficency. ALso take EPA rating with a grain of salt because the average speed for highway test is 48 and make speed is 59 and they are allowed to take 30 seconds to reach it too. One more thing, EPA MPG test are done by detroit (have been for years) and they alos use 93 ocane in tests too (also have for years) but are not required to tell you that either. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >> They are close to the same because you need to expend close >> to the same amount of energy, regardless of engine size, to keep [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com Nonsense. I get better fuel mileage with my F-150 4x4 5.4L than I did with my Ranger 4x4 4.0L It is kind of surprising how I can always count on you to get almost everything wrong. >Nonsense. I get better fuel mileage with my F-150 4x4 5.4L >than I did with my Ranger 4x4 4.0L MPG has a LOT to do with driver. It is not set in stone. My wife gets lower MPG when she drives her car than when I do. Not because she drives faster but because she acclerates quicker than me and waits to last minute to brake and brakes hard too. >It is kind of surprising how I can always count on you to get >almost everything wrong. Yes we can always count on you to think and comment with your ego and not your brain. I do not make the rules of science and thermodynamics but I know how to read and apply them while you only know how to apply your foot to pedal and car moves. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com > It is kind of surprising how I can always count on you to get > almost everything wrong. Hey Mark, It's a sure bet. No matter what. Snojob is ALWAYS going to post an opposite opinion than that of logic and experience. It's one of the constants in this world I've come to depend on. lol Spdloader >> It is kind of surprising how I can always count on you to get >> almost everything wrong. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Spdloader He is helpful, in a perverse kind of way. If you invert most of what he has to say, there is some useful info to be had. >>> It is kind of surprising how I can always count on you to get >>> almost everything wrong. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > He is helpful, in a perverse kind of way. If you invert most of > what he has to say, there is some useful info to be had. Exactly. Do the opposite of what Snojob says. Spdloader >Exactly. Do the opposite of what Snojob says. You mean the opposite of truth huh or opposite of what you say. You guys must of failed physics and science classes in school or not paid attention. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>Exactly. Do the opposite of what Snojob says. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com .....as predictable as taxes. Spdloader >.....as predictable as taxes. Yes you are indeed. BS is your game, not facts, physics, thermodynamics or science. I am also sure that you never need more than 87 octane either as it is the perfect fuel for a modern engine. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>.....as predictable as taxes. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com .....so what's your point? At least I'm good natured about it. BS = Blasting Snojob Spdloader 1982 Graduate of Jiffy Lube Thermodynamics and Science Institute. >>.....as predictable as taxes. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com SnowBlower, You better run off and install a lower set of gears in your 1956 super chivy pickup truck, you know the one 5.40/1 gears and the 89 horsepower I-6 torque monster naturally aspirated engine you run on 150 octane $17.50 a gallon fuel (for the fuel economy ya know). You are bothering the grownups... >>>.....as predictable as taxes. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > octane $17.50 a gallon fuel (for the fuel economy ya know). You are > bothering the grownups... lol > SnowBlower, You better run off and install a lower set of gears in > your 1956 super chivy pickup truck, you know the one 5.40/1 gears and > the 89 horsepower I-6 torque monster naturally aspirated engine you > run on 150 octane $17.50 a gallon fuel (for the fuel economy ya > know). You are bothering the grownups... Good one. Thanks for the humor. >>> Exactly. Do the opposite of what Snojob says. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Spdloader He is a damn idiot. I never made anything less than an A in any of my math or science classes in high school or college and have a Bachelor of Science degree in Electronics Engineering. Snoman probably flunked remedial math. >>>> Exactly. Do the opposite of what Snojob says. >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Snoman probably flunked remedial math. .....and coloring book 1. Spdloader I have a new 07 F150 Long Bed, 6 cal, Auto. The small V8 was rated at 1 mpg less, the large V8 was rated at 2 MPG less. I'm on my 5th tank of gas with 16.5 MPG on the last tank. (80% in town driving) I like the 6, it has adequate power and better MPG. I haul 2 four-wheeler and a motorcycle on a trailer with no problems. Unless you're doing heavy work, the 6 will be fine. >I need to haul 4x8 foot sheets of rigid plastic material for my small >business. As much as I like my Ranger, I have to install a platform, part [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Thanks Don't ya just love how JohnR66 has not came back to see if a sheet of whatever will fit in an F150. I would be surprised if 51" by 100" would fit without help and the tail gate open. I will measure in the AM. Of course the full bed can handle 4X8 size with the tail gate up. >I need to haul 4x8 foot sheets of rigid plastic material for my small >business. As much as I like my Ranger, I have to install a platform, part [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Thanks |
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