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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / November 2007

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2008 Diesel Quality

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Claude S. Sutton, Jr - 04 Nov 2007 12:36 GMT
I have 346,000 on my 1999 F-350.

It is still giving excellent service, but I am beginning to think about
trading.

What is the track record for the 2008 Heavy Duty Series?

CSSJR

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Scott - 04 Nov 2007 16:36 GMT
>I have 346,000 on my 1999 F-350.
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> CSSJR

I like your quote, but it's obvious the writer didn't live next door
to a couple of the nuts I have lived by.
My Name Is Nobody - 04 Nov 2007 20:17 GMT
I assume you are talking about the 6.4 liter diesel?  I think it is really a
little too soon to say.  The only thing I know for sure is the mileage on
the three I have any knowledge of, really sucks, 7-10 mpg on the F-450
pickups fast or slow, loaded or empty towing or not.   :-(

>I have 346,000 on my 1999 F-350.
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> CSSJR
Whitelightning - 04 Nov 2007 23:32 GMT
>I assume you are talking about the 6.4 liter diesel?  I think it is really
>a little too soon to say.  The only thing I know for sure is the mileage on
>the three I have any knowledge of, really sucks, 7-10 mpg on the F-450
>pickups fast or slow, loaded or empty towing or not.   :-(

People's expectations always amaze me. You got a 16,000 lb GVW truck whose
rated, payload is 6,100 lbs, tow capacity of 24,500 lbs and a curb weight of
8687 lbs running 4.88
gears in the rear axle and your complaining about the fuel mileage?
Unbelievable.

Whitelightning
My Name Is Nobody - 05 Nov 2007 02:08 GMT
>>I assume you are talking about the 6.4 liter diesel?  I think it is really
>>a little too soon to say.  The only thing I know for sure is the mileage
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> Whitelightning

No what is truly Unbelievable is you Whitelightning are such an IDIOT!   You
are so intent on getting your petty little One-Upmanship in that you don't
care how little you actually know about the topic or how stupid that makes
you look...

I was simply comparing the large (damn near 50% drop in fuel mileage ford
suffered when the stepped from the 6.0 to the 6.4)  My comments have nothing
to do with expectations.

My daily driver is a 2005 F-450 10,000 pound crew cab 4x4 with the 6.0 turbo
diesel.  It consistently get 12~14, and I have seen 16 mpg on one 300 mile
highway trip.  My close friend who has the new 2008 hates the crappy mileage
he gets.  When we travel together it becomes very evident, his range is
under 300 miles (40 gallon capacity @ 7 miles per gallon)  per fill, while
mine is over 700 (59 gallon capacity @ 12+ miles per gallon).

BTW:  My truck is a 2005 F-450 Chassis Cab, and those weights you looked up
for the 2008 F-450 "pickup" are substantially lower than mine. :-)))

Well thanks for reminding us all that small minds are amazed easily....
Whitelightning - 05 Nov 2007 05:35 GMT
> Well thanks for reminding us all that small minds are amazed easily....

The 6.4 gained 30 cubic inches in displacement, thats a considerable amount,
it gained 25 horespower going from 325 to 350 hp,  and gained near a 100
lbft of torque. All of that has to come at a cost.  The weights came from
fords web site.  I see that your 2005 has a higher payload then the 2008, by
2,000 lbs. since the GVW are the same for both years reasoning says your
2005 is lighter than the 2008.You said cab/chassis, but not what bed  Hell
the 6.4 alone weighs 170 lbs more than your 6.0 even though it has an
aluminum block  The 2005 6.0 has a single turbo, the 2008 a dual turbo set
up.  If we cram more air in the cylinders, we got to feed more fuel as well,
or things get a bit hot and pistons melt .
All around given the trucks capablities I dont see any thing wrong with the
mileage.   I havent driven a new 450, I have driven a 250. The 250 got just
over 15mpg empty, dropped to 11.5mpg loaded with 4.10 gears running a steady
70mph. And the power was noticably higher than the 6.0's I have driven.  I
wonder if the low sulfer diesel compliance design might play a role as well.
Still good numbers for the 250's capablities.  I expect to see the 250's
mileage increase a bit once the engine gets some mileage on it

Whitelightning
Mellowed - 05 Nov 2007 15:04 GMT
With 400 miles on my new 6.4L F350 CC 4x4 drw w/4.1 ratio. I drove to
Montana (1350 miles) to pick up a truck camper and got 14 mpg solo.  With
the camper mounted (4800 lbs wet) we got 12 mpg on the return trip.  Speeds
were 65 mph max.

I don't know if the mileage is good or bad.  It is what it is.  I hope it
will improve with more miles.

>I assume you are talking about the 6.4 liter diesel?  I think it is really
>a little too soon to say.  The only thing I know for sure is the mileage on
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>> CSSJR
Claude S. Sutton, Jr - 05 Nov 2007 16:25 GMT
> With 400 miles on my new 6.4L F350 CC 4x4 drw w/4.1 ratio. I drove to
> Montana (1350 miles) to pick up a truck camper and got 14 mpg solo.  With
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> I don't know if the mileage is good or bad.  It is what it is.  I hope it
> will improve with more miles.

I would not consider that poor mileage for a brand new diesel.

I have not checked mine in years, but the last time I checked it I was
getting 17 empty and 12 pulling a 4 horse trailer loaded at about 70%
capacity at interstate speeds on moderate hills.

I-81 from Roanoke to the PA turnpike.

Anyway, I think it is like the old saw about yachts.  If you have to
ask, you can't afford it.

The mileage goes with the best, so that is that.

CSSJR

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