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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / December 2007

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1998 Ford Expedition Engine Codes

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Jake Jaschob - 11 Dec 2007 03:33 GMT
To all,
Does anyone know of a way to cross Ford Engine Codes to components?  I have
a 1998 Expedition Eddie Bauer Model and have a code reader that reports the
following codes:
P0171 and P0174 which according to my book mean:

System too Leadn (Bank 1) and System to Lean (Bank 2)

I think this is referencing the Fuel delivery system.  About 1 year ago the
Dealership replaced my fuel filter.  Could it be the filter again?  If so,
where is it located?  I have maintained most of the areas of my own vehicles
and am confident in minor to medium repairs.

Thanks in advance for the assistance!

Jake
david - 11 Dec 2007 10:06 GMT
> To all,
> Does anyone know of a way to cross Ford Engine Codes to components?  I
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>
> Jake

This could indicate a vacuum leak, or perhaps a defective IAC.
C. E. White - 11 Dec 2007 12:24 GMT
> To all,
> Does anyone know of a way to cross Ford Engine Codes to components?
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>
> Jake

For an Expedition, a common cause of the P0171 and P0174 codes is a
contaminated MAF sensor. I'd try cleaning the MAF sensor. See:

http://www.fordf150.net/howto/clean-maf-mass-airflow-sensor.php
http://autotechrepair.suite101.com/article.cfm/ford_mass_air_flow_sensors
http://www.tccoa.com/articles/intake/mafclean.html
http://www.berrysweb.com/clean_your_maf.htm
http://draco.acs.uci.edu/explorer/ping.html

I'd also suggest joining the Expedition Owners Mailing List. See
http://mail.xpog.com/mailman/listinfo/expedition.

Ed
Jeff Strickland - 11 Dec 2007 16:03 GMT
>> To all,
>> Does anyone know of a way to cross Ford Engine Codes to components? I
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>
> Ed

Your response suggests these codes P0171 and P0174 specifically happen on an
EXPEDITION due to MAF problems, but doesn't the MAF affect all itterations
of the engine the same way? That is, wouldn't my F150 be affected the same
way?
C. E. White - 11 Dec 2007 16:20 GMT
>>> To all,
>>> Does anyone know of a way to cross Ford Engine Codes to
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> affect all itterations of the engine the same way? That is, wouldn't
> my F150 be affected the same way?

Definitely. I said Expedition because the OP was asking about an
Expedition. This problem has come up several times among members of
the Expedition Owners Mailing List. The two most common causes are a
contaminated MAF and a cracked PCV Hose Elbow. Cleaning the MAF sensor
is cheap. The PCV hose isn't too bad either.

Ed
Jeff Strickland - 11 Dec 2007 15:58 GMT
With a System Lean report for both banks, I'd be thinking of a vacuum leak
at a location that is common to both sides of the intake manifold. Vacuum is
vacuum, and there are ports on one side or the other to provide vac to
various components. I think that if there is a vac leak on one side or the
other, you would see a lean report that has to do with that side, since you
have a lean report for both sides, I'd start my search closer to to the
throttle body, where a leak can lean the mixture to both sides.

The computer looks at the throttle plate (and a couple of sensors) to see
how much air is going in, then adjusts the injector timing to affect changes
to the air/fuel ratio (mixture). Your computer is telling you that the
injector timing has been set fully rich, but the mixture is still lean. One
cause of such a condition is a leak that is letting in air at a point
downstream from the throttle body that the computer does not
monitor/control, and the resulting air can not be made richer by the
addition of more fuel.

My guess is that you may be experiencing poor mileage too because the
computer is trying to add more gas to make the mixture richer, but the error
report you have says the effort is not working.

You could have failing O2 Sensors too. These look at the mixture leaving the
cylinders, and this feeds back to the computer which is looking at the
throttle plate and a host of other things to make decisions on injector
timing. But, there are specific codes for O2 sensor faliures, and I would
expect one of these codes ahead of a Too Lean (or Too Rich) report. The O2
Sensors are in the troubleshooting chart for your issue, but they fall well
below the vacuum leak.

If you have had any work done recently -- even an oil change -- then I'd be
looking for cracked hoses in the immediate vicinity of where the work would
be expected to be performed.

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> To all,
> Does anyone know of a way to cross Ford Engine Codes to components?  I
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>
> Jake
C. E. White - 11 Dec 2007 16:17 GMT
> With a System Lean report for both banks, I'd be thinking of a
> vacuum leak at a location that is common to both sides of the intake
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> sides, I'd start my search closer to to the throttle body, where a
> leak can lean the mixture to both sides.

The most common hose to fail on an Expedition is the PCV hose elbow at
the rear of the engine (hard to find unless you know to look for it).
A failure of this hose can cause the lean codes, but I still think the
problem is most likely a contaminated MAF sensor.

See:
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/629460-98-expedition-5-4l-dtc-1131-1151-0171-0
174-a.html

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Ford-Repair-811/Expedition-idle-problem.htm
http://www.fordforums.com/showthread.php?t=105752

Ed
Jeff Strickland - 12 Dec 2007 16:48 GMT
>> With a System Lean report for both banks, I'd be thinking of a vacuum
>> leak at a location that is common to both sides of the intake manifold.
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>
> Ed

I tend to agree. I _think_ the PCV elbow crack would favor a lean on one
bank before it affected both banks, depending on its physical location in
the intake manifold. The MAF would give a false reading that will cause the
computer to detect a lean condition on both banks.

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