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fuel gauge and trany problem

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87bronc - 01 May 2008 04:22 GMT
hey  just bought a 87 full size bronco the fuel guage does not work
the guage it self is fine i just would like to get an opinion on hat
it could be before dropping the tank.

Now the lady i bought this from had a reman trany put in it ever since
it has been put in it its been breaking the mounting ears on the
starter she said she went threw like 5 and i have gone threw one so
far any suggestions
Jeff Strickland - 01 May 2008 16:06 GMT
Punctuation. That's my suggestion. It is very difficult to help you when you
do not gives us an idea where one idea stops and another starts.

An '87 Bronco is going to take some work, so you either need to know this
sort of stuff or be ready to open your checkbook very wide, or look at the
issues as being unimportant to "flight operations," and learn to work around
them.

I can't imagine any transmission problem that would break the starter. You
did not say which transmission you have, but I assume the automatic. The
starter should not care abou tthe transmission per se, but it would care
about the bellhousing and flywheel.

The fuel level sending unit lives in the gas tank, and is part of the fuel
pump if I remember correctly. You will have to drop the tank to get the pump
and sending unit out.

> hey  just bought a 87 full size bronco the fuel guage does not work
> the guage it self is fine i just would like to get an opinion on hat
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> starter she said she went threw like 5 and i have gone threw one so
> far any suggestions
Spdloader - 01 May 2008 16:31 GMT
> Punctuation. That's my suggestion. It is very difficult to help you when
> you do not gives us an idea where one idea stops and another starts.

That was funny as hell.

roflmao

Spdloader
87bronc - 05 May 2008 02:22 GMT
Well The lady had bought a ramanufactured c6 automatic transmission
from checker auto parts. Now ever since  this transmission has been
put in the mounting ears have been cracking or breaking off
completely. Every starter has lasted about 5 start ups and thats it.
Now i have crawled under and made sure the last starter i just put in
was lining up correctly and the same thing happend. i checked the fly
wheel and there is nothing wrong with it its not bent or missing any
teeth. i don’t know what to do i  personaly think that something is
just not lining up righ

> Punctuation. That's my suggestion. It is very difficult to
> help you when you
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> one so
> > far any suggestions

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Whitelightning - 05 May 2008 03:37 GMT
Are the dowel pins in place?

Whitelightning
Dave and Trudy - 05 May 2008 08:45 GMT
> Well The lady had bought a ramanufactured c6 automatic transmission
> from checker auto parts. Now ever since  this transmission has been
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> teeth. i don't know what to do i  personaly think that something is
> just not lining up right

What engine is in the vehicle? Also, I vaguely remember a similar problem
with one vehicle of a friend and it was an improperly mounted flywheel.
Either the flywheel was installed backwards or the starter ring was
installed backwards on the flywheel. As I recall, the beveled side of the
starter ring should face forward (toward the starter) and in this case the
reverse was true. It prevented the starter gear from disengaging the starter
ring quickly enough and resulted in twisting the starter. Anyone out there
seen such a problem or happening? Hope this helps....

DaveD
87bronc - 07 May 2008 23:22 GMT
the engine in it is a winsor 351 4bbl carb. I will start with the fly
wheel being on backwards and the starter ring. One thing i noticed was
that the bolts they used to mount it in were just grade A hardware. I
went and found some starter bolts that fit that truck. Well i
appriciate the advice and i will let you know how everything goes.
thanks again guy

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Jeff Strickland - 07 May 2008 23:57 GMT
As a practical matter, since the truck has a C6 automatic, there is no
reason for the flywheel to come off. Given this tidbit of factual
information, odds favor it being on the right way. You should be able to
open an access cover on the bell housing to look at the flywheel and the
torque converter.

The wrong bolts could be a problem. I believe bolts are rated as Grade 3,
Grade 5, and Grade 8, where grade 3 is the type of bolt used in a
construction project, and grade 5 and grade 8 are automotive grades. You
stated Grade A, and that sounds alot like Grade 8 to me, and Grade 8 is the
proper bolt for this application. A Grade 5 is probably sufficient, but I
recall that Grade 8 has a higher tensile strength.

If the bolts you had were the type with a shoulder (un-threaded portion)
that was getting bottomed out and leaving the starter to wobble a bit, then
this could easily be causing a problem.

I would suggest you take a look at the flywheel from either the view of the
access panel or from the location that the starter normally lives in, but do
not pull the transmission down and take the bell housing off unless you know
for certain that the flywheel is backwards. It seems to me that if the
flywheel was backwards, the torque converter would not fit, so I doubt the
flywheel is your trouble.
Jeff Strickland - 05 May 2008 16:14 GMT
The starter would not care a whit about the transmission. It would care
about the bellhousing and it would care about the shim.

I can't fathom breaking the "ears" off. These are very thick. If they are
breaking off, the starter is not being fitted flat to the bellhousing. You
have something out of alignment.

> Well The lady had bought a ramanufactured c6 automatic transmission
> from checker auto parts. Now ever since  this transmission has been
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> teeth. i don't know what to do i  personaly think that something is
> just not lining up right
N in WNC - 06 May 2008 02:33 GMT
Make sure the starter boltsare tight. I had a fordtruck at one timethat
was notirious for loosening he starer bolts. I aplied lock-tite and
solved the problem.

I guess if it was partialy loose,it could bind on starting. I don't know
that this would break off the "ears".

Nick
Jeff Strickland - 06 May 2008 03:02 GMT
Nick,
You should not include your flag in a Text Only newsgroup.

The GIF file throws the server or the reader, or both, into a tizzy.

> Make sure the starter boltsare tight. I had a fordtruck at one timethat
> was notirious for loosening he starer bolts. I aplied lock-tite and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Nick

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Spdloader - 06 May 2008 04:55 GMT
> Nick,
> You should not include your flag in a Text Only newsgroup.
>
> The GIF file throws the server or the reader, or both, into a tizzy.

.....looks cool, though.

Spdloader
Jeff Strickland - 06 May 2008 16:04 GMT
>> Nick,
>> You should not include your flag in a Text Only newsgroup.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Spdloader

Yes, it does.
david - 06 May 2008 09:39 GMT
> Nick,
> You should not include your flag in a Text Only newsgroup.
>
> The GIF file throws the server or the reader, or both, into a tizzy.

He's a Web TV user.  He doesn't know any better.
N in WNC - 06 May 2008 13:50 GMT
My apologies.I will try to remember in the future.

Nick
Rodan - 01 May 2008 19:33 GMT
hey just bought a 87 full size bronco the fuel guage does not
work the guage it self is fine i just would like to get an opinion
on hat it could be before dropping the tank.

Now the lady i bought this from had a reman trany put in it
ever since it has been put in it its been breaking the mounting
ears on the starter she said she went threw like 5 and i have
gone threw one so far any suggestions
___________________________________________________

Please provide more information:

____ Fuel guage (gauge?):
If it doesn't work, how do you know it is 'fine'?

____ Opinion on hat:
What kind of hat?   Style or value opinion?

____ Broken mounting ears:
Starter mounting ears are very strong.   Broken ears
are almost always caused by improper installation, not
by subsequent operation.   What did the mechanic who
replaced the starter say was the cause of the breakage?

If possible, have your next post proofread by a literate
friend.    A truly serious inquiry may get no responses
because posts with extensive spelling and punctuation
errors are often ignored as probable trolls.

Good luck.

Rodan.
N in WNC - 03 May 2008 02:26 GMT
I had an 86' ford truck That would eat the teeth off the starter drive.
The motor had been changed and the "mechanic" did not reinstall the
plate that goes between the motor and transmission.

Once this plate was reinstalled, everything was fine. Maybe this has
something to do with your troubles.

Buying one of those "Haynes" manuels can show you how to check the fuel
gauge to see if that's the problem, or the sending unit in the tank. The
gauge is much easier to change.

Nick

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