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1990 F150 Rear End troubles
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letterman@invalid.com - 08 Nov 2008 22:09 GMT I have a 1990 Ford F150 pickup 4WD with 5 liter engine. Manual trans. I bought it a year ago, and it's been a lemon. I had to replace all the 4WD U-joints, one shaft, one lockout, several front end parts and the front brakes rotors and calipers when I got it. This cost almost as much as the truck cost me. The following month I had to replace the starter, then the exhaust system fell apart, then the ignition switch, then the seatbelt came loose because the floor was so rusted, then the master cylinder, then the center (driveshaft) bearing on the rear end, then the rear brakes and parking brake cables, and this dont include tires and a new battery. as well as the dead fuel pump and tank leak in the rear tank which I never fixed.
I just finished changing the water pump last week when I noticed grease running out of the rear end at one of the wheels. On my way to the mechanic that rear wheel started on fire. It turned out the bearing was completely gone, and the axel wore right thru the rear end housing. My mechanic told me to put in a used rear end would be at least $600 for the rear end and installation, plus the brakes are all burned up again, and will need a complete new brake assembly and cylinder, and there could be more costs. Needless to say, I am not going to repair it. I'll sell the engine, trans, (both are good), the new 4WD parts, and take off the tires. The rest goes to the junk yard.
My mechanic told me that the rear ends on the late 80's early 90's trucks were all junk. That's why it costs so much to replace it, because they are hard to find in scrap yards. I find it hard to believe that they make such crappy rear ends, because I have never had a single problem with the rear end in any other vehicle I have ever owned. (Ford, Chevy, and Mopar).
To prove they are bad, the guy who sold me the truck said he replaced the rear end too.
I was just out looking for a new used truck and found a 1994 F150 pickup with the same engine. It runs good, has an automatic trans instead of the manual, and has push button 4WD instead of the shift lever. The body is in much better shape than my old truck. What bothers me is whether it has that same rear end. If it does, I dont want it.
I cant afford a real new vehicle, the early to mid 90s trucks are in my price range. However if they all have the same crappy rear ends, I may buy a GM truck instead. I saw one of them that was a fair price and runs well.
Does anyone know the details about the Ford rear ends and the years they changed to a new style?
Thanks
Jeff Strickland - 08 Nov 2008 22:38 GMT You bought a truck that is closing in on 20 years old and bitch that it's a LEMON!? It isn't a lemon, it's beat to sh.t and you ought not have bought it.
Your driveline problems are _probably_ due to using the 4WD when the tires are on asphault instead of dirt or gravel. NEVER use your 4WD on the street unless there is a thick layer of snow or ice. If you can see the street, you should not be in 4WD. Period. End of discussion.
Brakes wear out and nobody cares.
Starters wear out, and the rest of the truck is rusting and falling off. Hardly indicators of a lemon.
>I have a 1990 Ford F150 pickup 4WD with 5 liter engine. Manual trans. > I bought it a year ago, and it's been a lemon. I had to replace all [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Thanks letterman@invalid.com - 10 Nov 2008 08:38 GMT Yes, it IS a lemon.
All I mentioned had to be repaired in ONE YEAR.
Before owning this 1990 truck, I owned a 1979 F150 4wd truck. I bought it for $100 in 02, and drove it till 07. The only semi-major work I did to it was replace the timing chain, and distributor on the 400 engine. Other than that, it was just tires and battery, and some exhaust work. Thats 5 years of use for an almost 30 year truck, with little repairs. The only reason I bought the 1990 truck is because the tranny was starting to slip on the 79. If it was not for the box falling apart, I might have replaced the auto tranny, but there was also the very poor gas mileage issue on that 400 engine. The engine still ran strong, and the rear end never had any problems. That 79 was a much stronger built truck. Last winter my 90 truck would not get up my snow covered rural driveway in 4wd, yet the 79 did, even with the slipping tranny. That old 79 still runs. I kept it as a farm truck only (not licensed), but it far out lasted that 1990 lemon with all its fancy computerized crap.
From looking at websites, it looks like all the F150's from the mid 80's up to around 02, contain that same piece of junk rear end. I guess my next truck will be a Chevy or Dodge, unless I can find a late 70's early 80's F150 with less rust and a smaller engine. Ford used to make good trucks, but I guess that ended around 85.
>You bought a truck that is closing in on 20 years old and bitch that it's a >LEMON!? It isn't a lemon, it's beat to sh.t and you ought not have bought [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] >> >> Thanks david - 10 Nov 2008 09:40 GMT On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:38:53 -0600, letterman rearranged some electrons to say:
> Last winter my 90 truck would not get up my snow covered rural > driveway in 4wd, yet the 79 did, even with the slipping tranny. That > old 79 still runs. I kept it as a farm truck only (not licensed), but > it far out lasted that 1990 lemon with all its fancy computerized crap. Those fancy computers wouldn't let your truck get up the driveway in the snow... yeah, sure.
letterman@invalid.com - 10 Nov 2008 15:09 GMT >On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:38:53 -0600, letterman rearranged some electrons to >say: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Those fancy computers wouldn't let your truck get up the driveway in the >snow... yeah, sure. It had nothing to do with the computers, it's the way the truck is geared and the truck is too light. All the tires did was spin on top of the snow. I had to put 30 concrete blocks in the bed to get traction. The older Ford trucks had balls, the newer ones are wimpy.
Jeff Strickland - 11 Nov 2008 05:55 GMT > Yes, it IS a lemon. > > All I mentioned had to be repaired in ONE YEAR. So what. The truck lives in a f.cking salt pit and is 20 years old. It doesn't really matter what YOU do with your truck, what matters is what the sorry bastard that owned it before you did. It's obvious to me by your post that you bought a very tired truck. Sorry, but it's true.
Do you drive, or did the previous owner drive, in 4WD on the street in winter? If so, that's a big part of the problems with ujoints, driveshaft, and differentials.
You listed a long line of parts that failed because of the salt they put down where you live. I've been driving for 40+ years and never in my life had a parking brake cable fail. We don't have to put salt down in winter, so the rust bucket that I own is a rust bucket because I use it as a boat.
I have an '81 Jeep that has its share of rust, but I take it in the creek where the water is deep enough to flow in through the door openings, and I have a 2.5" lift kit and 33" tires, so the doors are pretty high. I have to replace ujoints all of the time - I carry ujoints on the trail so I can do a repair when I am out if needed, I replaced the drive shaft once, and could use a new front driveshaft. But, I don't have a lemon. I replaced the rear axles with even better axles because the water I keep driving through destroys the wheel bearings, which screws up the axles. But I don't drive a lemon.
You do not have a lemon, you have a truck that has been seriously used and neglected, and now the repair bills are all coming at once. If you or the previoius owner drive on pavement in 4WD, this is at least half of the cause of the damage you are fixing today.
Move on. Sorry.
> Before owning this 1990 truck, I owned a 1979 F150 4wd truck. > I bought it for $100 in 02, and drove it till 07. The only semi-major [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] >>> >>> Thanks
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