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1990 F150 Rear End troubles

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letterman@invalid.com - 08 Nov 2008 22:09 GMT
I have a 1990 Ford F150 pickup 4WD with 5 liter engine.  Manual trans.
I bought it a year ago, and it's been a lemon.  I had to replace all
the 4WD U-joints, one shaft, one lockout, several front end parts and
the front brakes rotors and calipers when I got it.  This cost almost
as much as the truck cost me.  The following month I had to replace
the starter, then the exhaust system fell apart, then the ignition
switch, then the seatbelt came loose because the floor was so rusted,
then the master cylinder, then the center (driveshaft) bearing on the
rear end, then the rear brakes and parking brake cables, and this dont
include tires and a new battery. as well as the dead fuel pump and
tank leak in the rear tank which I never fixed.

I just finished changing the water pump last week when I noticed
grease running out of the rear end at one of the wheels.  On my way to
the mechanic that rear wheel started on fire.  It turned out the
bearing was completely gone, and the axel wore right thru the rear end
housing.  My mechanic told me to put in a used rear end would be at
least $600 for the rear end and installation, plus the brakes are all
burned up again, and will need a complete new brake assembly and
cylinder, and there could be more costs. Needless to say, I am not
going to repair it.  I'll sell the engine, trans, (both are good), the
new 4WD parts, and take off the tires.  The rest goes to the junk
yard.

My mechanic told me that the rear ends on the late 80's early 90's
trucks were all junk.  That's why it costs so much to replace it,
because they are hard to find in scrap yards.  I find it hard to
believe that they make such crappy rear ends, because I have never had
a single problem with the rear end in any other vehicle I have ever
owned.  (Ford, Chevy, and Mopar).  

To prove they are bad, the guy who sold me the truck said he replaced
the rear end too.

I was just out looking for a new used truck and found a 1994 F150
pickup with the same engine.  It runs good, has an automatic trans
instead of the manual, and has push button 4WD instead of the shift
lever.  The body is in much better shape than my old truck.
What bothers me is whether it has that same rear end.  If it does, I
dont want it.

I cant afford a real new vehicle, the early to mid 90s trucks are in
my price range.  However if they all have the same crappy rear ends, I
may buy a GM truck instead.  I saw one of them that was a fair price
and runs well.

Does anyone know the details about the Ford rear ends and the years
they changed to a new style?

Thanks
Jeff Strickland - 08 Nov 2008 22:38 GMT
You bought a truck that is closing in on 20 years old and bitch that it's a
LEMON!? It isn't a lemon, it's beat to sh.t and you ought not have bought
it.

Your driveline problems are _probably_ due to using the 4WD when the tires
are on asphault instead of dirt or gravel. NEVER use your 4WD on the street
unless there is a thick layer of snow or ice. If you can see the street, you
should not be in 4WD. Period. End of discussion.

Brakes wear out and nobody cares.

Starters wear out, and the rest of the truck is rusting and falling off.
Hardly indicators of a lemon.

>I have a 1990 Ford F150 pickup 4WD with 5 liter engine.  Manual trans.
> I bought it a year ago, and it's been a lemon.  I had to replace all
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> Thanks
letterman@invalid.com - 10 Nov 2008 08:38 GMT
Yes, it IS a lemon.

All I mentioned had to be repaired in ONE YEAR.

Before owning this 1990 truck, I owned a 1979 F150 4wd truck.
I bought it for $100 in 02, and drove it till 07.  The only semi-major
work I did to it was replace the timing chain, and distributor on the
400 engine.  Other than that, it was just tires and battery, and some
exhaust work.  Thats 5 years of use for an almost 30 year truck, with
little repairs.  The only reason I bought the 1990 truck is because
the tranny was starting to slip on the 79.  If it was not for the box
falling apart, I might have replaced the auto tranny, but there was
also the very poor gas mileage issue on that 400 engine.  The engine
still ran strong, and the rear end never had any problems.  That 79
was a much stronger built truck.  Last winter my 90 truck would not
get up my snow covered rural driveway in 4wd, yet the 79 did, even
with the slipping tranny.  That old 79 still runs.  I kept it as a
farm truck only (not licensed), but it far out lasted that 1990 lemon
with all its fancy computerized crap.  

From looking at websites, it looks like all the F150's from the mid
80's up to around 02, contain that same piece of junk rear end.
I guess my next truck will be a Chevy or Dodge, unless I can find a
late 70's early 80's F150 with less rust and a smaller engine.  Ford
used to make good trucks, but I guess that ended around 85.

>You bought a truck that is closing in on 20 years old and bitch that it's a
>LEMON!? It isn't a lemon, it's beat to sh.t and you ought not have bought
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>> Thanks
david - 10 Nov 2008 09:40 GMT
On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:38:53 -0600, letterman rearranged some electrons to
say:

> Last winter my 90 truck would not get up my snow covered rural
> driveway in 4wd, yet the 79 did, even with the slipping tranny.  That
> old 79 still runs.  I kept it as a farm truck only (not licensed), but
> it far out lasted that 1990 lemon with all its fancy computerized crap.

Those fancy computers wouldn't let your truck get up the driveway in the
snow...  yeah, sure.
letterman@invalid.com - 10 Nov 2008 15:09 GMT
>On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:38:53 -0600, letterman rearranged some electrons to
>say:
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>Those fancy computers wouldn't let your truck get up the driveway in the
>snow...  yeah, sure.

It had nothing to do with the computers, it's the way the truck is
geared and the truck is too light.  All the tires did was spin on top
of the snow.  I had to put 30 concrete blocks in the bed to get
traction.  The older Ford trucks had balls, the newer ones are wimpy.
Jeff Strickland - 11 Nov 2008 05:55 GMT
> Yes, it IS a lemon.
>
> All I mentioned had to be repaired in ONE YEAR.

So what. The truck lives in a f.cking salt pit and is 20 years old. It
doesn't really matter what YOU do with your truck, what matters is what the
sorry bastard that owned it before you did. It's obvious to me by your post
that you bought a very tired truck. Sorry, but it's true.

Do you drive, or did the previous owner drive, in 4WD on the street in
winter? If so, that's a big part of the problems with ujoints, driveshaft,
and differentials.

You listed a long line of parts that failed because of the salt they put
down where you live. I've been driving for 40+ years and never in my life
had a parking brake cable fail. We don't have to put salt down in winter, so
the rust bucket that I own is a rust bucket because I use it as a boat.

I have an '81 Jeep that has its share of rust, but I take it in the creek
where the water is deep enough to flow in through the door openings, and I
have a 2.5" lift kit and 33" tires, so the doors are pretty high. I have to
replace ujoints all of the time - I carry ujoints on the trail so I can do a
repair when I am out if needed, I replaced the drive shaft once, and could
use a new front driveshaft. But, I don't have a lemon. I replaced the rear
axles with even better axles because the water I keep driving through
destroys the wheel bearings, which screws up the axles. But I don't drive a
lemon.

You do not have a lemon, you have a truck that has been seriously used and
neglected, and now the repair bills are all coming at once. If you or the
previoius owner drive on pavement in 4WD, this is at least half of the cause
of the damage you are fixing today.

Move on. Sorry.

> Before owning this 1990 truck, I owned a 1979 F150 4wd truck.
> I bought it for $100 in 02, and drove it till 07.  The only semi-major
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>>> Thanks
 
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