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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / November 2008

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Pumping out fuel injectors - '99 Ranger?

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Rowbotth - 13 Nov 2008 00:33 GMT
I took the beast in for its i-annual service and reported to the service
guy that I was concerned with the performance on startup.  It suddenly
takes longer to start than before - it used to take maybe half a
rotation of the crankshaft and now it takes maybe 3-5 seconds of
cranking.

He did a service, change d the spark plugs and the air filter, and told
me that if this didn't help I should consider getting the fuel injectors
flushed out.  

I have never heard of this before.  What is it?  Why do it?

The thing has maybe 130 000 km (or for the Americans, about 80 000
miles) and I have never had problems that indicated a bad tank of gas.

HR.
Old Crow - 13 Nov 2008 10:47 GMT
>I took the beast in for its i-annual service and reported to the service
> guy that I was concerned with the performance on startup.  It suddenly
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>
> HR.

Burning fuel leaves behind some residue.  This can build up around the
nozzles of the injectors and either restrict flow or change the spray
pattern enough to effect performance.  They temporarily disable the fuel
supply from the tank and run the motor off a cleaning solution which removes
the residue.

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Simon1952@canada.com - 14 Nov 2008 22:31 GMT
> >I took the beast in for its i-annual service and reported to the service
> > guy that I was concerned with the performance on startup.  It suddenly
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> supply from the tank and run the motor off a cleaning solution which removes
> the residue.

Thanks.  Very informative.

HR.
HLS - 15 Nov 2008 17:46 GMT
<Simon1952@canada.com> wrote in message news:Simon1952-

>> Burning fuel leaves behind some residue.  This can build up around the
>> nozzles of the injectors and either restrict flow or change the spray
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>
> HR.

I recently had some problems with my Dodge Custom Van, and the mechanic
suggested a cleanout of the injectors, inner plenum, etc.

I was a little sceptical at first, but let him run with it.

He has an optical fiber tool that he can use to see inside the induction
system and
can even get a look at the backside of the valves.  Mine were filthy, heavy
buildup
of unburned gasoline remnants.

In this case, the treatment completely solved the idle and dying problems.
ds549@webtv.net - 28 Nov 2008 14:33 GMT
ive used seafoam gas additive to clean up fuel systems with good
success.follow directions,run the whole treated tank thru it before
refilling.

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Ashton Crusher - 14 Nov 2008 05:33 GMT
>I took the beast in for its i-annual service and reported to the service
>guy that I was concerned with the performance on startup.  It suddenly
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>HR.

Two possibilities that have happened to me....

1) I have had several instances of filling the gas tank in my 92
explorer and then having the same sort of starting issue you describe.
What happens is that the gas is on the far end of the range for
volatility and doesn't like to vaporize.  So until I burn up that tank
it takes a lot more cranking.  Then fill it up again and the problem
goes away.  The same thing often happens if you put premium gas in a
car designed to run on regular.  Premium has a lower volatility and it
makes it harder to start the car.  The automakers have gotten so many
complaints of this kind of hard starting that they have issues TSB's
to the dealers advising them to tell the customers to stop putting
premium gas in because it makes it hard to start the car.

2) On my 99 mustang GT it suddenly developed the same sort of change
in how it started, going from starting in about half a second to
taking several seconds.  It was under warranty and I took it in. First
time they could not find anything in particular but went ahead and
replaced teh cam position sensor.  That did not help.  I took in back
in a month or so and when I got it back they said it was one of the
stranger things they had come across.  Turned out the Alternator was
"bad" even though it had still be working well enough to keep the
battery up.  The bad alternator was somehow causing low voltage or
something during startup and that was creating issues with the engine
computer resulting in the hard starting.  They replaced the alternator
and it was back to starting up properly again.
Rowbotth - 14 Nov 2008 22:29 GMT
> >I took the beast in for its i-annual service and reported to the service
> >guy that I was concerned with the performance on startup.  It suddenly
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> computer resulting in the hard starting.  They replaced the alternator
> and it was back to starting up properly again.

Thanks for this.  I don't think it is the fuel quality issue because the
problem was there through more than one tank of gas, and they were from
different dealers - some international names and some only Provincial.

The Alternator tip is worthy of keeping for MY particular observations.  
I'll just hang onto this one.

HR.
Ulysses - 21 Nov 2008 02:13 GMT
> > >I took the beast in for its i-annual service and reported to the service
> > >guy that I was concerned with the performance on startup.  It suddenly
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>
> HR.

My '92 Explorer has been taking a lot more cranking to start but if I turn
the key on and off and let the fuel pump cycle a few times it usually starts
right up.  I thought perhaps the check valve in the fuel pump was letting
the fuel back into the tank but now, after reading all this, I'm not so
sure.
Ashton Crusher - 29 Nov 2008 04:28 GMT
>> > >I took the beast in for its i-annual service and reported to the
>service
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>the fuel back into the tank but now, after reading all this, I'm not so
>sure.

I did the same thing on mine when it would not start right away.  It
does help but a new tank of gas has always been the cure.  I did take
it in to a local shop once while it was doing this and they could find
nothing actually wrong.  The best they could suggest was the check
valve issue which would have cost close to $500 for the labor and
parts. A  new tank of gas fixed it.  It was about that time I started
to see the pattern.
 
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