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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Trucks / October 2003

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Jerking problme F250 Crew SB 6.0

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Bill B - 07 Oct 2003 12:57 GMT
I'm having a strange problem with my 2003 F250 6.0 Automatic.  Just got
a new 5th wheel trailer and the jerking is terrible.  Took the whole rig
back to the camper sales lot and  they agreed.  They started checking
and what we found was that the "helper" spring is bumping on the rear
end while the front end is still a good 2 to 3 inches away from the
bump-stop.  This is causing the axle to torque in a rearward direction
everytime the trailer hits a bump and transfers load to the truck.
Anybody had this problem before, and if so what did you do to fix it?
Thanks for any ideas.

Bill
Bill B - 07 Oct 2003 13:00 GMT
Sorry for the multi-post.......

> I'm having a strange problem with my 2003 F250 6.0 Automatic.  Just got
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silverfox - 07 Oct 2003 14:42 GMT
My guess is the rv 5th wheel  is bolted too far back on the truck and that
would show up with a larger 5th ?. See if the 5th wheel is bolted over the
axle or just ahead as it should be . Good luck .
Fox .

> I'm having a strange problem with my 2003 F250 6.0 Automatic.  Just got
> a new 5th wheel trailer and the jerking is terrible.  Took the whole rig
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> Bill
Bill B - 08 Oct 2003 00:22 GMT
Thanks for the input.  That was one of the first things checked.  Hitch
is a Pullrite SuperGlide 16.  All bracketing is customized by Pullrite
for each specific vehicle.  When I ordered the hitch, they wanted more
info on the truck than I ever dreamed they would need.  Fits great!!
The hitch installer from the trailer dealer test drove the truck and I
sat in the back seat and watched the hitch.  NO front to back motion
there.  The problem seems to be the fact that the overload spring is
only being hit on the rear end of the arch.  That tends to rotate the
entire axle assembly backwards.  Imagine the truck sitting still and the
axle being rotated backwards.  That would move the truck backwards, even
though it may only be an inch or so.  Now imagine the truck being moved
back and forth an inch or so while doing 60mph.  Quite an experience!

We are attmpting a fix by mouning a rubber bumper stop to the front end
of the spring so that both ends of the spring come into contact with the
frame stops at the same time.  Tried it by using a large hose clamp and
a 2X4 on the end of the spring.  Big help but not quite there.  Just
talked to the hitch installer and he said the biggest rubber bump stop
he could find was about an inch too short.  He's going to install a
spacer between the spring leaf and the rubber bump.  I'll let you know
how it turns out.

Still open to other suggestions in case this doesn't work.

Bill

> My guess is the rv 5th wheel  is bolted too far back on the truck and that
> would show up with a larger 5th ?. See if the 5th wheel is bolted over the
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>>Bill
Mellowed - 07 Oct 2003 15:12 GMT
: I'm having a strange problem with my 2003 F250 6.0 Automatic.  Just got
: a new 5th wheel trailer and the jerking is terrible.  Took the whole rig
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: Bill
Mellowed - 08 Oct 2003 17:15 GMT
Bill,  I see that my previous response sent a blank.  Don't know why.

Anyhow, suggest that you look into supplemental Air Springs/Bags.  They have
a compressor as part of the system and you can pump them up to level your
truck.  My neighbor, also with a '00 F250 towing a 5th wheel used that
approach and he is very happy.

: I'm having a strange problem with my 2003 F250 6.0 Automatic.  Just got
: a new 5th wheel trailer and the jerking is terrible.  Took the whole rig
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: Bill
Bill B - 09 Oct 2003 10:27 GMT
Thanks for the response, Mellowed.  Somehow, my original post didn't
show up, so I reposted and a few minutes later, my first one appeared.
Like you, don't know why but I have two posts and getting responses on
both :-)  Air bags were the first thought of the RV dealer but since I
have a short bed, had to go with the slider type hitch.  I chose the
Pullrite SuperGlide which is an automatic slider.  The tighter I turn,
the further back it slides.  Great hitch. Bad part is that the brackets
for the hitch go right where the air bag would be, so that didn't work
out.  The fix for the spring hitting the back end first and causing the
jerking was solved by adding to the front bump stop.  Now both ends of
the spring touch at the same time.

Bill

> Bill,  I see that my previous response sent a blank.  Don't know why.
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Bill B - 09 Oct 2003 10:20 GMT
Well, I took the whole rig to a scale. Didn't disconnect and weigh just
the truck, but this is the result while connected.  We have no personal
items loaded yet but did fill all holding tanks with water.  (45 fresh,
43 black, 56 grey)  Obviously, we wouldn't normally travel with all
tanks full.

Steer axle         4360      (Front GAWR=5200)   840 UNDER rating
Drive Axle        4960      (Rear GAWR=6084)  1124 UNDER rating
Trailer Axle      7580
Gross Weight  16900      (GCWR=20000)        3100 UNDER rating

Now the real confusing part.  If I add the Steer and Drive axle weights,
I get 9590.  According to the sticker by the door, the GVWR is 8800.
I'm 790 over that.  Am I overloaded or not?

The original problem has been greatly reduced by adding about 3" to the
front frame mounted rubber bump stop.  Now both ends of the "helper" get
contact at the same time.

 Thanks to all that responded  to the original problem.

Bill
William  Miller - 10 Oct 2003 19:55 GMT
Yes, you are over gvw for the truck.  Don't know if that's what's causing
the jerking issue, but it could be.
My 250 with trailer on grosses out at 9200, which is over the 8800, but am
using a reese slider, and it's 6" in front of the axle in the tow position,
and have no jerking at all.  If I try to tow with the hitch slid back, (4"
back of the axle) the thing is terrible -- it goes down the road like a
porpoise, the slightest bump makes the truck and trailer bounce just as
you've described.   I'd still look at the position of that hitch, if the pin
isn't in front of the axle by a few inches, you'll have these problems.

The other thing is that you didn't post the truck weight without the trailer
aboard, so don't know about the pin weight.  It might be too heavy.

Good luck with it, and happy camping

Bill

> Well, I took the whole rig to a scale. Didn't disconnect and weigh just
> the truck, but this is the result while connected.  We have no personal
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Bill B - 10 Oct 2003 23:55 GMT
My pin weight is 1940 which is over.  My hitch is a  Pullrite 16K
Superglide slider.  Truck without trailer weighs in at 7380 Gross.   I
talked with Pullrite about the pin position because my front axle
actually got heavier by 20 pounds by removing the trailer.  Their
response was that the pin is supposed to be mounted directly above the
axle in the tow position.  My GVW with trailer is 9320.  Not much more
than yours.  Probably is the hitch position.  Did you mount yours
forward by gut feel or did Reese say that is where it belongs?  The
Pullrite mounts to existing holes in the frame so not much chance to
move it anywhere else.

Bill
William Miller wrote:

> Yes, you are over gvw for the truck.  Don't know if that's what's causing
> the jerking issue, but it could be.
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>>Bill
 
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