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John J - 01 Oct 2006 23:47 GMT
Hi folks. Could anyone tell me what size of brake line was used on 1994 Ford
Taurus? Also, what type of flared end I should buy? Bubble flare or another
type?? Am looking to replace a section of rusted line with a replacement
length and a compression fitting, if this is possible. Any tips or
suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks.. John
Backyard Mechanic - 02 Oct 2006 01:11 GMT
> Hi folks. Could anyone tell me what size of brake line was used on
> 1994 Ford Taurus? Also, what type of flared end I should buy? Bubble
> flare or another type?? Am looking to replace a section of rusted line
> with a replacement length and a compression fitting, if this is
> possible. Any tips or suggestions would be appreciated.
> Thanks.. John

I assume it's rear line.  Note that Ford tends to use non-standard flare
nuts at one end of line for assembly purposes.  There are actual brass
adapters available ..DONT use the kluge short line adapters that Autozone
sells.
OR break the line and use the OEM nut if it's still in good shape.

I have tried comprssion fittings to join lines and dont recommend it.  
They tend to rust under the ferrule or seep.

Get a double flare tool at Harbor freight and practice.

Here's another hint..  to remove the old line, just use PB Blaster, cut
the line and use a 6-point socket on fitting, before even TRYING a tubing
wrench.  Saves some frustration.

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Bob Urz - 02 Oct 2006 05:59 GMT
> Hi folks. Could anyone tell me what size of brake line was used on 1994 Ford
> Taurus? Also, what type of flared end I should buy? Bubble flare or another
> type?? Am looking to replace a section of rusted line with a replacement
> length and a compression fitting, if this is possible. Any tips or
> suggestions would be appreciated.
> Thanks.. John

Just buy premade lines with the fittings already on them and bend them
to fit. Use the old lines as a template.

Bob
John Horner - 03 Oct 2006 06:25 GMT
> Hi folks. Could anyone tell me what size of brake line was used on 1994 Ford
> Taurus? Also, what type of flared end I should buy? Bubble flare or another
> type?? Am looking to replace a section of rusted line with a replacement
> length and a compression fitting, if this is possible. Any tips or
> suggestions would be appreciated.
> Thanks.. John

The compression fitting repair on brake lines is a bad idea.
Eric G - 04 Oct 2006 18:36 GMT
" The compression fitting repair on brake lines is a bad idea. "

It's also illegal for street use in some jurisdictions, and if the inspection station doesn't catch it, but a 'post accident investigation' does, you'll really be in deep...

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John J - 04 Oct 2006 11:05 GMT
Yes..I've started to see that...from what I've been reading up on. I'm going
to try and cut and flare a new section in. Line looks good up front.
Thanks to all for tips and info.Great source of info here. Thank you.
JJ
> Hi folks. Could anyone tell me what size of brake line was used on 1994
> Ford
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> suggestions would be appreciated.
> Thanks.. John
Tom Adkins - 03 Oct 2006 16:08 GMT
> Yes..I've started to see that...from what I've been reading up on. I'm going
> to try and cut and flare a new section in. Line looks good up front.
> Thanks to all for tips and info.Great source of info here. Thank you.
> JJ

 If you try to cut and flare the old line while it's on the vehicle, you'll be hating
life in short order. You'll find that "other" rusty spot in the line pretty quick when
you disturb it, along with any weak spots in the line going to the other rear wheel
that runs next to it.
 Why not get about 10' of bulk tubing, flare the front and attach it, cut to length.
flare the rear and attach it, then anchor the new line to the old one. It's actually
easier than patching the old line and fewer possibilities for leaks.
 The old line and the new pre cut sections are harder than the bulk line (which is
milder steel). You'll have to have a good quality flaring tool (Mac, Snap On, OTC,
etc) to flare it. The lower cost tools like the one available at Sears, Auto Zone,
etc. will tend to distort and crack the line at the new flares. Been there, done that.
John J - 04 Oct 2006 23:33 GMT
Boy..today I certainly did not enjoy life..!.. Was able to remove the old
fitting from the "proportioning valve?" block after cutting the line and
using socket per previous advice..actually removed both right side rusty
lines and cut them a foot or so in front of the rear wheel. The flare on the
line I removed was a bubble type, so the guy at the parts store got me some
adapter fittings so I could use the precut lengths they sold which had
double flares. Anyway.. I practiced several flares on a piece of the old
line, with no luck.. I mean I couldn't even get that line to bend over for
the first part of the flare. Is it possible the old line is just too thick
to double flare?..I'm sort of dead in the water here.
>> Yes..I've started to see that...from what I've been reading up on. I'm
>> going to try and cut and flare a new section in. Line looks good up
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> available at Sears, Auto Zone, etc. will tend to distort and crack the
> line at the new flares. Been there, done that.
Tom Adkins - 04 Oct 2006 02:30 GMT
> Boy..today I certainly did not enjoy life..!.. Was able to remove the old
> fitting from the "proportioning valve?" block after cutting the line and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> the first part of the flare. Is it possible the old line is just too thick
> to double flare?..I'm sort of dead in the water here.

The key statement was:
The old line and the new pre cut sections are harder than the bulk line
> (which is milder steel). You'll have to have a good quality flaring tool
> (Mac, Snap On, OTC, etc) to flare it.

 Often the clamp can't hold the line well enough and it slides down through it, when
using cheaper tools. I really recommend the softer, more flexible bulk line.
 
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