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On the End of the Taurus line..

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Backyard Mechanic - 26 Oct 2006 15:00 GMT
Without reading every post on the 5.8 million loss and 'what does Ford have
to do to.."

This points out the problem

http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=102606B

TCS Daily always has good reads on almost any subject and this is no
exception.

The 500 could have been the answer but Ford now appears to be afraid of
stepping outside the box... they forgot the lessons of the Taurus, the
original and current Mustang, and to a lesser extent the MN12 {89-97}
Thunderbird... just LOOK  for MN12's on the road and you'll see what I
mean.
Maybe Ford felt it was burnt by the 2 seater Bird.. but that has nothing to
do with 'bread'n'butter' car lines.
Going back to the original and current Mustang, it wasnt the car nuts made
it successful, it was that it was all new but old at the same time and
caught the eye of those who barely knew what 'V-6' means.

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petebert - 26 Oct 2006 19:32 GMT
Gen 1 Taurus is still my favorite, I like the big box. I was thinking today
they should keep the Taurus and just make it more reliable, but then I
thought maybe they are reliable, I suppose if you sell a gagilion of them
you are going to hear about a lot breaking down. People come here and
complain about their 30k minivan breaking down and it amazes me. My 110k 99
Windstar is still kicking a lot of a.s, suppose it could be because I
maintain it. Not trying to diss Mecurcy but I've also wonder why not ditch
Mercury to save money? Maybe someone could explain to me what the point of
Mercury is? Looks to me like they just sell Ford's with a different name.

> Without reading every post on the 5.8 million loss and 'what does Ford
> have
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> it successful, it was that it was all new but old at the same time and
> caught the eye of those who barely knew what 'V-6' means.
SC Tom - 26 Oct 2006 21:41 GMT
> Gen 1 Taurus is still my favorite, I like the big box. I was thinking
> today they should keep the Taurus and just make it more reliable, but then
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Mercury to save money? Maybe someone could explain to me what the point of
> Mercury is? Looks to me like they just sell Ford's with a different name.

I thought a number of years ago, Ford was going to dump the Mercury line and
expand the Lincoln line. At the same time GM was talking about dumping
either Olds or Buick (I don't remember which), and Chrysler was dumping
Plymouth. I guess D-C was the only one to follow through with all those
plans. Bummer! The others might not be so strapped if they had followed
through also.

SC Tom
petebert - 26 Oct 2006 22:53 GMT
ya Plymouth is gone and I thought I heard Olds or Buick is or will be gone
soon.

>> Gen 1 Taurus is still my favorite, I like the big box. I was thinking
>> today they should keep the Taurus and just make it more reliable, but
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> SC Tom
DeserTBoB - 27 Oct 2006 05:39 GMT
>I thought a number of years ago, Ford was going to dump the Mercury line and
>expand the Lincoln line. <snip>

Was never seriously considered, especially after Billy Boy came on
board.  I think Nassar wanted to trash Mercury after the Cougar
project fell apart.

>At the same time GM was talking about dumping
>either Olds or Buick (I don't remember which), and Chrysler was dumping
>Plymouth. I guess D-C was the only one to follow through with all those
>plans. <snip>

Uh, dude...you need to take in the value of a good newspaper now and
then.  Oldsmobile ceased being a GM brand name a couple of years ago.
The plan was to absorb potential Olds buyers into the Buick name, but
rather than that happening, many former Olds people went to Chrysler
for the LH cars!
who - 03 Nov 2006 06:10 GMT
>  Oldsmobile ceased being a GM brand name a couple of years ago.
> The plan was to absorb potential Olds buyers into the Buick name, but
> rather than that happening, many former Olds people went to Chrysler
> for the LH cars!
I do believe the LH was gone when the Olds was dropped.
The ugly 300 and Magnum replaced the LH cars.
Those Olds people probably went to Toyota.  <:)

Re Taurus it went about 2 yrs ago.  I was interested in a Taurus SW to
replace my LH, but the only Taurus being made two yrs ago was the sedan
using the base engine.  Too bad Ford, you dropped it too soon.

My friend recently ran into that when he wanted to replace his '96
Taurus SW with the performance engine.  No replacement existed, he toyed
with other vehicles and decided the Ford 500 (I hate to spell it out)
with it's huge trunk fitted the bill for him.  I looked at it and must
agree, huge trunk. More than the trunk, it's a very people friendly car,
just a bit higher than the Taurus.

Regarding '96 Taurus reliability his main problem was the transmission
failed after about 30k miles. Of course Ford replaced it under
guarantee. I know a few others who had the trans fail in the '96 models.
His other problem was the paint didn't stick on the plastic bumpers and
had to be repainted several times.
Steve Stone - 26 Oct 2006 21:45 GMT
I don't quite follow you on the MN12 T-Bird/Cougar/Mark 8.
DeserTBoB - 27 Oct 2006 05:36 GMT
>Not trying to diss Mecurcy but I've also wonder why not ditch
>Mercury to save money? Maybe someone could explain to me what the point of
>Mercury is? Looks to me like they just sell Ford's with a different name. <snip>

Now, yes, especially since all GM can do anymore is cookie cutter,
"badge engineered" cars from different now-non-existant "divisions"
that were once semi-autonomous "real" divisions.

Merc came along in '39 to compete against Chrysler and GM's upper line
cars, Buick and Olds, and to a lesser degree, Pontiac, which back then
wasn't much more than a gussied-up Chevy with Oakland-designed
straight 8s.  It set up Ford to be a "full line" manufacturer, like GM
and Chrysler already were.  Sloan's GM was able to offer cars covering
the entire price range, from the lowly Chevrolets, to the regal
Cadillac, and just about everything in between.  The trick was, that
while they shared Fisher bodies and very basic "corporate" styling,
each division had their own free rein to build power plants,
suspensions, interiors, exteriors...everything else, relying on GM
corporate on Woodward Ave. only for financing through committees. Ford
and Chrysler's cars were somewhat more alike and were built in some of
the same plants, although they did not share engines all that much
until the late '60s.

It worked, especially after the "whiz kids" at Ford, hired by "King
Herny II" after the war, came up with their hot looking slab sided
Fords and Mercs in '49, essentially putting a lot of lipstick (and a
new independent front suspension) on obsolete flathead drive trains
that had formerly lived in really obsolete looking cars.  Not long
after the highly successful '49-'50 models dominated the market, Ford
ran around Chrysler as the #2 of the "Big 3" and has stayed there ever
since.

Why dump Mercury now?  All Merc is now is a trim option, nothing more.
Back in the '60s, Merc still had their own version of the FE, the 410,
but everything else was getting very much the same, especially with
the 390s.  GM still had all bases covered, with similar looking but
very different cars in terms of mechanicals and prices.  Once GM
started dissolving the Sloan model of semi-autonomous divisions,
various GM divisions actually started begining to have a problem with
duplication of product, with GM's goal being to have all V8 cars
powered by the cheap-to-build Chevy small block and all V6 cars
powered by Buick.  A few lawsuits held that back for awhile, but it
eventually came to pass.  By then, the whole raison d'être for
competitors having competing lines started to fade.  Chrysler actually
knew this far earlier and dumped their moribund De Soto line, which
was supposed to compete with Oldsmobile in the '50s, in 1961.  I think
that the guys in Highland Park saw what happened to King Henry II over
in Dearborn with the Edsel fiasco, and decided to cede that market
slot to GM completely.  Besides, they already had Buick cornered with
their Chrysler line, and "sporty" versions of Chrysler models could
easily compete with Olds, and they did.

Now, Fords and Mercs are the same vechiles, just with what is optional
on the Ford version being standard of the Merc.  The only changes that
start happening at all are when you get to the Lincoln level, and even
that's again mostly window dressing (to attract ghettoids) and more
standard stuff, much of which isn't available on the baseline Ford.
Would stopping making those extra badges, grilles, taillights and
other "distinctive" parts help Ford's bottom line?  I don't really
think so, but, a look at Merc's sales figures for years now tells me
that no one buys "Mercury" anymore, unless they can grind out a better
deal on a Merc that has stuff on it as standard that would cost more
by buying the Ford version with options.  Despite attempts to burnish
the Mercury name with the failed Merkur and Cougar projects in the
last couple of decades, the name generally means the same to younger
people now that Oldsmobile meant to them...vanilla sedans with lots of
phony wood, fluffy seats and not much else.  GM's mismanagement also
made Olds go that way, especially after they screwed up marketing the
really fine Aurora by following it up with basically "badge
engineered" Intrigues and Aleros.  You could get the same car next
door at the Pontiac dealer for less as a Grand....Am or Prix.
Picasso - 28 Oct 2006 02:08 GMT
Ford seems very good at dropping the ball.

What the hell happened to the Merc Cougar?

How'd they f.ck up the Thunderbirds so badly?

Why get rid of the Lincoln LS?

Howcome there are no more marauders?

Oh yes, ford knows how to do one thing right, the F150... and for that
little thing they call the ranger that hasn't seen a styling change
since 1993... well its day is coming to an end.  nearly every body panel
off that oudated excuse for a pickup is identical from 93 all the way to
07.  Pathetic really.  There is nothing that good about hte ranger that
people would miss.

> Without reading every post on the 5.8 million loss and 'what does Ford have
> to do to.."
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> it successful, it was that it was all new but old at the same time and
> caught the eye of those who barely knew what 'V-6' means.
Puddin' Man - 28 Oct 2006 04:02 GMT
>Without reading every post on the 5.8 million loss and 'what does Ford have
>to do to.."
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>Thunderbird... just LOOK  for MN12's on the road and you'll see what I
>mean.

BM,

What is "MN12"? A chassis designation?

I been driving a '94 Boid for 9 years: maybe I oughta have some
inkling what MN12 refers to? :-)

 Thx,
 Puddin'

Pease pudding hot,
Pease pudding cold,
Pease pudding in the pot
Nine days old.
Backyard Mechanic - 28 Oct 2006 04:09 GMT
>>Without reading every post on the 5.8 million loss and 'what does Ford
>>have to do to.."
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> I been driving a '94 Boid for 9 years: maybe I oughta have some
> inkling what MN12 refers to? :-)

MN12 is the platform (also used on Cougar/MkVIII) reference to
distinguish it from the previous Fox plat

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eastwardbound2003@yahoo.com - 03 Nov 2006 07:51 GMT
This is sad news about the discontinuence...

I bought my 2002 Ford Taurus back in Winter 2002.  I still remember
driving that car home for the first time.

My Taurus is the luxury decked out model.  SEL 24 Valve.  Leather, CD
Changer, Auto Climate control, 4 Air bags, adjustable pedals, the
works.

Not a single major issue with this car.  Plus it's always been well
maintained according to the owners manual.  The only problem I'd had
with it is the brake lamp switch on the brake pedal that went south one
day.  And of course, the car needed new spark plugs sooner than the
manual suggested at 100,000 miles.  Plugs needed replacement at 90,000
miles when the engine showed rough idling.

My car had been all accross America already with well over 100,000
miles on it.  It's been to the highest road in North America Pikes Peak
Colorado.  And the Lowest point in America, Death Valley California.
Its seen the whole west coast and it's seen the east coast.  The car
has been to the dirty south including such cities like Charleston SC
and Atlanta GA.  It's also seen the blizzards of North Dakota and
Minneapolis Minnesota.  It's seen the scorching summers of South Texas
and California's central valley.  It's been to both Canada and Mexico.
The car had seen the Gulf of Mexico in Galveston Texas just 1 month
before Hurricane Rita touched down.

My car has NEVER left me stranded before.  The car has Always started
right up whenever I turned the key.

Gas mileage varies from 20 in the city and 30 for long distance highway
driving.  And of course it takes the cheap stuff.  87 Octane.  Ford
Recommends BP Petroleum/ARCO.

I will never get rid of this car.  It's true that each brand makes a
cars with a certain feel/character to them.  But the only way anyone
will take my beloved Taurus away from me now is if they pry my cold
dead fingers away from the steering wheel.

I'll always have my '02 Taurus.  For sentimental reasons.

East-
 
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