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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Cars / November 2006check engine light
Big problem. We have a '96 ford aerostar. It's time for it to be inspected. The "check engine" light is on. We took it to the mechanics who said it was the fuel evap system. They did a smoke test and said there is a nick in the gas filler neck. (Probably thanks to heavy handed gas station attendants.) They called ford who said that ford stopped making parts for cars over 10 years old. Ford checked everywhere on the computer and no one had the part. The mechanic said that they could clear the computer and then we could try driving the car for 10 miles at 50mph and then get the car inspected. This would give us time to try and find someone with the part, or to try to repair the crack in the old one. Being in NYC, there's no close highway where we can go 50mph for 10 miles. By the time we get back to the mechanic, the light is going to be back on. Anyone know a way to get around the computer without having to go 50mph for 10 miles? Also, anyone know where we can get the part? Thanks. > We have a '96 ford aerostar. It's time for it to be inspected. The "check > engine" light is on. We took it to the mechanics who said it was the fuel > evap system. They did a smoke test and said there is a nick in the gas > filler neck. (Probably thanks to heavy handed gas station attendants.) As a very temporary fix you can use epoxy to patch the crack. It will not last, but it should get you past the inspection. I'm assuming you can get to the cracked area. You are going to have to drive it some now the codes have been cleared, though - because NY's emissions test requires historical data to be in the computer. No way of getting around that. > Anyone know a way to get around the computer without having to go 50mph for > 10 miles? Also, anyone know where we can get the part? I would take the Van Wyck to the Hutchison River Parkway (believe me, you can get there from NYC - I live in Queens myself). There are approximately seventeen zillion junkyards there. Or www.car-part.com. Or look in the yellow pages under auto junkyards - there are hundreds of them in Jamaica, for instance - many within a subway ride of any point in the five boros... > > We have a '96 ford aerostar. It's time for it to be inspected. The "check > > engine" light is on. We took it to the mechanics who said it was the fuel [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > of them in Jamaica, for instance - many within a subway ride of any > point in the five boros... There's somewhere that has gas station attendants?  SignatureI. Care Address fake until the SPAM goes away ;-} > > > filler neck. (Probably thanks to heavy handed gas station attendants.) > > > There's somewhere that has gas station attendants? The gas station nearest my home is all full-service. Most of the gas stations on Long Island have full-service areas. In NJ, all gas stations are full-service. >> > > filler neck. (Probably thanks to heavy handed gas station >> > > attendants.) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > In NJ, all gas stations are full-service. We still have full service stations here in rural Tennessee. Real people....who care. Bob > > Most of the gas stations on Long Island have full-service areas. > > > > In NJ, all gas stations are full-service. > > > We still have full service stations here in rural Tennessee. Real > people....who care. I envy you. Would love to live in the country (used to live in the country back home when I was a boy). There are no people who care in New York. > Big problem. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Thanks. What does the check engine light have to do with inspections? is that part of the inspection in NY ? > What does the check engine light have to do with inspections? is that > part of the inspection in NY ? Yes. CEL = mandatory fail. A year ago (or so) they introduced another requirement, which is that the ECM has to have stored historical data. So if you clear a recurring CEL and run in to inspection, it will fail even though the CEL isn't on at the time they actually inspected it. Total horseshit, of course. Bureaucrats and tree-huggers in an incestuous circle-jerk. >> What does the check engine light have to do with inspections? is that >> part of the inspection in NY ? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Total horseshit, of course. Bureaucrats and tree-huggers in an >incestuous circle-jerk. Pull the filler and have it repaired if you can't get a good one from the scrappies. They are not rocket science. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>> What does the check engine light have to do with inspections? is that >>> part of the inspection in NY ? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Pull the filler and have it repaired if you can't get a good one from > the scrappies. They are not rocket science. That's what we ended up doing. They took it out, welded it, and passed it (for the inspection). 1 hour later, the check engine light came back on. >> What does the check engine light have to do with inspections? is that >> part of the inspection in NY ? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Total horseshit, of course. Bureaucrats and tree-huggers in an > incestuous circle-jerk. Inconvenient yes, but not "total" horseshit. The CEL comes on when a problem is detected that will cause high emissions. That's the reason for the mandatory fail, although most folks really don't care about that part of it. But, when the CEL trips, there is usually a problem that can also adversely affect fuel mileage or cause expensive damage to engine or driveline components if left unattended. That's the part that affects the wallet, and most folks really give a Sh*t about that part of it. Just clearing the code won't fix the problem of emissions, poor fuel mileage, or potential damage. >>> What does the check engine light have to do with inspections? is that >>> part of the inspection in NY ? [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > clearing the code won't fix the problem of emissions, poor fuel mileage, > or potential damage. But what's going on with ford??? They make a car that is obsolete after 10 years. The car is still good but you can't get parts to repair it. I sure am not going to be into getting a ford in the future! > But what's going on with ford??? > > They make a car that is obsolete after 10 years. The car is still good but > you can't get parts to repair it. > > I sure am not going to be into getting a ford in the future! I'm wondering what to do myself. I'm on my third Taurus... currently own a '92 wagon and a 2000 sedan. When it comes time to replace them I'm at a loss what to replace them with. The wagon is my Lowesmobile so I'll probably find a used pickup or minivan to replace it. But the sedan? The only feature I ever wanted but couldn't seem to get was a sunroof (at least on a program car). I don't see a sedan in their line that catches my eye... except maybe that 500 hp Mustang. I'd go for one of those if I can get it for around $14,000. <G> SignatureMortimer Schnerd, RN mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com > But what's going on with ford??? > > They make a car that is obsolete after 10 years. The car is still good but > you can't get parts to repair it. > > I sure am not going to be into getting a ford in the future! It's not just Ford. Most car makers stop producing replacement parts after 10 years. Your fuel filler pipe failure is way out of the range of "normal" or expected. In 23 years as a Tech I think I replaced a total of 1 fuel filler pipe, ti was damaged in a collision. For all intents and purposes they don't go bad. Is it really reasonable to expect Ford to stock a part for a 10 year old vehicle that rarely, if ever, fails? Wear items such as steering, suspension, and transmission parts for your vehicle are still available through the dealer. They were made by the tens of thousands and the existing stock won't dry up very soon. Yours was just an oddball part that was the one in 100,000 that happened to fail. >> But what's going on with ford??? >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >existing stock won't dry up very soon. Yours was just an oddball part that was the one >in 100,000 that happened to fail. Here in the rust belt, they DO fail. Too often. Getting used ones from the scrappy can be a crap-shoot. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> But what's going on with ford??? >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > of thousands and the existing stock won't dry up very soon. Yours was just > an oddball part that was the one in 100,000 that happened to fail. From what several mechanics were saying, it's not an unusual problem and is caused by gas station attendants who roughly insert the gas hose and cause chips in the filler neck. They didn't want to try the salvage yards because of the likelyhood that they'd get a part that had the same problem. We're now stuck with a car that we had to pay $200 to pass inspection, this year and last and still isn't repaired. And who is going to want to buy it? I wouldn't be surprised if this is a problem with alot of other ford cars in states that have full-service only gas stations. > We're now stuck with a car that we had to pay $200 to pass inspection, this > year and last and still isn't repaired. And who is going to want to buy it? In NY? Check into this. I might be misremembering, but ISTR that you can get an inspection waiver if you spend more than $300 trying to get the vehicle to pass inspection. If you have a car that you can't sell to a private party in good conscience, then do what everyone else does: take it to a dealer and trade it :) > > Total horseshit, of course. Bureaucrats and tree-huggers in an > > incestuous circle-jerk. > > Inconvenient yes, but not "total" horseshit. The CEL comes on when a problem is > detected that will cause high emissions. That's the reason for the mandatory fail, No, no, it _is_ horseshit. Think about it. Part of the test involves measuring actual tailpipe emissions on the dyno. If those are in spec for the car's model year, then it's a moot point whether the computer thinks there is something wrong. It is ALSO a moot point whether the actual emissions are higher than they would be if the problem were fixed. If NYSDMV really means to tighten the spec on emissions, they should do that and not pussyfoot about with this other nonsense. BTW, I take a bit of exception to your description of the CEL; it gives the thing far too much credit. I'd prefer the statement that the CEL comes on if an out-of-design condition is detected that may affect emissions. In article <1162471398.132580.40530@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>, > > > Total horseshit, of course. Bureaucrats and tree-huggers in an > > > incestuous circle-jerk. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > actual emissions are higher than they would be if the problem were > fixed. For OBD2 the CEL illuminates if the system detects a problem that would allow the emissions to exceed the EPA (or stricter state) standards by 1.5 times. In the case of a failed air mass sensor or a missfire, the criteria is valid due to the critical nature of the failure. In the case of a cat efficiency code, the criteria may indeed be bogus because the cat efficiency diagnostics relies on the ability of the Cerium wash coat in the cat-con to store oxygen, but that ability is not always necessarily directly correlated to whether the cat can oxidize HC and CO or reduce NOx. > If NYSDMV really means to tighten the spec on emissions, they should do > that and not pussyfoot about with this other nonsense. There may be other reasons for the dyno test such as fuel usage, fuel economy, CO2 contribution, etc. One would need to read through the regulations and applicable contracts between the state and the feds and consider the sophistication of the test to determine the whole reason. > BTW, I take a bit of exception to your description of the CEL; it gives > the thing far too much credit. I'd prefer the statement that the CEL > comes on if an out-of-design condition is detected that may affect > emissions. That was pre OBD2 (OBD1 if there was such a thing) >Total horseshit, of course. Bureaucrats and tree-huggers in an >incestuous circle-jerk. <snip> Another rightard (who is going down in flames) heard from. > >Total horseshit, of course. Bureaucrats and tree-huggers in an > >incestuous circle-jerk. <snip> > > Another rightard (who is going down in flames) heard from. Hardly so. I'm merely allergic to bureaucrats, special-interest groups and other parasitic organisms. Do you have a pet tapeworm? >>> Total horseshit, of course. Bureaucrats and tree-huggers in an >>> incestuous circle-jerk. <snip> >> Another rightard (who is going down in flames) heard from. > > Hardly so. I'm merely allergic to bureaucrats, special-interest groups > and other parasitic organisms. Amen brother, amen. http://tinyurl.com/y5hkqb |
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