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Cylinder Missfire

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300zx - 28 Oct 2006 03:22 GMT
Let me say hi and also thank everyone in advance for any help given.
Here is the problem.

My father has a 2000 ford taurus.  Car never gave him any problems.
Out of nowhere he now gets a cylinder missfire in cylinger six.  That
is the error given by the computer.  Not that simple though, there is
more.  The car runs fine until it warms up.  When the car is idle, in
either park, neutral, or drive, it starts to chug.  The check engine
light flashes.  As soon as start to move again, the car struggles to
accelerate, but once your moving, all is well again, the car runs
perfectly fine.  Check engine light stays on steady now, until you
stop again, and the cycle repeats.  Just a little helpful information.
The car has been to three different shops, including ford themselves.
The plugs, wires, coils, fuel rail, fuel injector computer and so on
have all been replaced.  The engine was opened up, and the cylinder is
fine, nothing wrong mechanically.  This is absolutely 100 percent an
electrical problem.  So with this said, does anybody know what the
heck this could be?....Ask me questions if you want any more
information.  

With all that information, I will now tell you the the car had an
aftermarket remote car starter installed by a reputable guy that has
installed stuff for a dozen people i know.  The problem started about
one to two months after that.

thanks again
Eric

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sleepdog@optonline.net - 28 Oct 2006 03:55 GMT
> Let me say hi and also thank everyone in advance for any help given.
> Here is the problem.
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> accelerate, but once your moving, all is well again, the car runs
> perfectly fine.  Check engine light stays on steady now, until you

That is how a car runs with a missfire.  Most likely one of the COPs,
even though you say they were all replaced, they can still fail
prematurely.  What is the engine code that is given for the missfire?
If is just one PO30x (x = 1 through 6 corresponding to cylinder) swap
that cylinder's COP with another cylinder and clear the code.  Start it
up again and see if the code changes to another cylinder.  If so you
have a bad COP or plug boot, but they usually come together I think.

Don't drive the car until this is resolved.
300zx - 29 Oct 2006 02:22 GMT
the code i was told is specifically a missfire in cylinder six.
Thanks for your reply.  I will see what I can do.  Any other advice
would be much appreciate

"sleepdog" wrote
> > Let me say hi and also thank everyone in advance for any
> help given.
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>
> Don't drive the car until this is resolved.

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clare at snyder.on.ca - 28 Oct 2006 04:03 GMT
>Let me say hi and also thank everyone in advance for any help given.
>Here is the problem.
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>thanks again
>Eric

Have you had the "reputable guy" check his work to make sure he has
not damaged a wire somewhere? Or have him uninstall it to see if that
is the problem?

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George Orwell - 28 Oct 2006 22:58 GMT
Integrated EFI systems are the sh.ts, aren't they?  Who decided on black
boxes running fuel injection, ignition, and charging systems with wires and
sensors running all over under the hood and dash?  That's stupid.  In the
old days, cars were easy to fix.  Just ask your grandpa.  His cars didn't
have a single CPU in them and they still got him from point A to point B
just as good as your late model heap, when it runs.

So here's how to get your late model F-O-R-D fixed without having to keep
paying over and over again while the incompetents replace parts ad lib
until they accidently strike upon the problem, if ever.

When you take your monstrosity to the Ford Dealer, have the work order
written:  "To replace  part(s) x and y to fix problem of cylinder
misfiring, for $$."  If he's not so cock sure what your problem is and
wants to make a preliminary diagnosis for a fee, that's okay.  "To
diagnosis the problem of cylinder misfiring, for $$"  That way, when they
replace x and y to "fix your problem" and you still have the misfire when
they're done, they have to fix it again for FREE, taking out x and y and
putting back in your old parts if possible.  And if its not, the parts are
free and they keep having to fix it until its fixed or your money totally
refunded.  Don't feel sorry for the dealer.  He's not sorry you paid six
times and its not fixed yet.  If he cries on your shoulder, tell him its
Ford's fault for making their cars non-fixable therefore he should vent his
complaints to the Corporation, not to you the poor sucker who bought this
junker.
George Orwell - 29 Oct 2006 04:19 GMT
Birkshire Bill wrote:

>If you are diagnosing your own problem and tell a service writer that you
>want part(s) x and y replaced he will more than likely tell you go somewhere
>else or do it yourself.

This isn't what I meant.  The owner is not telling the service manager
anything other than the complaint; ie, misfiring.  What is happening is the
service writer takes a stab at the diagnosis, either with or without his
mechanic's evaluation, and writes up a work order, listing parts to R & R
or adjustments to make or whatever.  Then he has the owner sign the work
order.  The work is performed as written and the owner pays.  Even if the
problem persists, the owner has little or no comeback to the dealer because
the dealer did do the work.  What I suggest is after the service manager
writes up his work order, the owner has him add the phrase "TO FIX THE
PROBLEM OF MISSFIRING (OR WHATEVER).  Then, if it turns out to be a
misdiagnosis on the part of the all-knowing service writer, its his
problem, not the owner's to pay again and again until the problem is fixed
or the owner gives up and trades in his car.  

The idea is to pay for fixing the problem; not to pay for a laundry list of
procedures that don't fix the problem.  If your shop uses an amateurish
shotgun approach of wholesale parts replacement and refuses to commit
itself to a solution on a given work order, then find another shop.  If its
a dealership, complain to Ford.
 
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