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Kia's New Plant in Georgia

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who - 07 Nov 2006 01:30 GMT
More "import" expansion to meet increasing sales, by building locally.
They could have probably bought the Ford Taurus plant for cheap!

From Business Week:
> News & Features October 25, 2006, 3:1PM EST text size: TT
> Kia's New Plant
> Kia breaks ground on a new $1 billion plant in Georgia expected to open in
> late 2009 with an annual capacity of 300,000 vehicles
>
> For several hours last Friday, the population of West Point, Georgia swelled
> ­ albeit temporarily ­ by over 500 people who had come for the official
> ceremonial groundbreaking of Kia¹s $1 billion factory.
Jeff - 07 Nov 2006 02:39 GMT
> More "import" expansion to meet increasing sales, by building locally.
> They could have probably bought the Ford Taurus plant for cheap!

Why would they buy Ford's plant? They want something that is modern.
petebert - 07 Nov 2006 03:12 GMT
the plant is probably too worn out from selling more sedans that anyone
else.

>> More "import" expansion to meet increasing sales, by building locally.
>> They could have probably bought the Ford Taurus plant for cheap!
>
> Why would they buy Ford's plant? They want something that is modern.
CMM - 07 Nov 2006 15:05 GMT
Interestingly this is crossposted into 3 groups where it isn't on
topic but not posted into alt.autos.kia where it would be on topic.

-- Christian

>More "import" expansion to meet increasing sales, by building locally.
>They could have probably bought the Ford Taurus plant for cheap!
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>> ­ albeit temporarily ­ by over 500 people who had come for the official
>> ceremonial groundbreaking of Kia¹s $1 billion factory.
Some O - 07 Nov 2006 17:26 GMT
> Interestingly this is crossposted into 3 groups where it isn't on
> topic but not posted into alt.autos.kia where it would be on topic.

Does anyone look there?
It does indicate who's growing and manufacturing locally.
DeserTBoB - 07 Nov 2006 21:29 GMT
>> Interestingly this is crossposted into 3 groups where it isn't on
>> topic but not posted into alt.autos.kia where it would be on topic.
>
>Does anyone look there?
>It does indicate who's growing and manufacturing locally. <snip>

Note that they picked Georgia, as do all the invaders, because of
traditionally lax labor laws in southern states, as well as a cowed
workforce and the lowest wages in the country.  Environmental and
safety standards are also ignored in most southern states.
petebert - 07 Nov 2006 23:04 GMT
if they can supply good paying entry level jobs I'm sure the locals are more
than happy. I've lived in non factory states before and barely got by with
entry level jobs with just a H.S. diploma. Now I live in Ohio and found out
that you actually support your family by being willing to work and getting a
job at an auto plant.

>>> Interestingly this is crossposted into 3 groups where it isn't on
>>> topic but not posted into alt.autos.kia where it would be on topic.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> workforce and the lowest wages in the country.  Environmental and
> safety standards are also ignored in most southern states.
Robbie and Laura Reynolds - 08 Nov 2006 00:28 GMT
> >> Interestingly this is crossposted into 3 groups where it isn't on
> >> topic but not posted into alt.autos.kia where it would be on topic.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> workforce and the lowest wages in the country.  Environmental and
> safety standards are also ignored in most southern states.

Bob, maybe you should move to Georgia and build a factory.  Then you
could pay the locals $30 an hour.
Some O - 08 Nov 2006 06:58 GMT
> Note that they picked Georgia, as do all the invaders, because of
> traditionally lax labor laws in southern states, as well as a cowed
> workforce and the lowest wages in the country.  Environmental and
> safety standards are also ignored in most southern states.

Tax incentives to I bet.
lugnut - 08 Nov 2006 10:32 GMT
>> Note that they picked Georgia, as do all the invaders, because of
>> traditionally lax labor laws in southern states, as well as a cowed
>> workforce and the lowest wages in the country.  Environmental and
>> safety standards are also ignored in most southern states.

Noone is preventing anyone from organizing and negotiating
better salaries and work terms.  The modern plants generally
provide far better working conditions than most of the older
plants in traditional manufacturing areas.  As far as wages,
I wouldn't be too concerned with that since a dollar in most
parts of this area will buy what a $1.25-$1.50 will buy in
many of the older manufacturing areas.  Over time, that will
change, and so will the location of the plants in an effort
to follow the more financially rewarding areas in which to
manufacture.  If wages and labor were the only concerns, the
manufacturer would, undoubtedly, have built somewhere else.
And, if you think environmental and safety standards are
ignored in the south any more than any other part of the
USA, then you are way behind the times and have NO IDEA what
goes on here.  If the ideas you harbor were true, the south
would not have so much growth caused by immigration from
other parts of the USA, Canada and Mexico.  If you don't
think you are paying enough for goods and services when you
get here, we have a policy of accepting TIPS for the
difference.

>Tax incentives to I bet.

There are big time tax incentives for Kia - hundreds of
millions of dollars.  It amounts to tens of thousands of
dollars per job every year over the first ten years.  Beyond
that, noone knows  Almost every big manufacturer expects tax
incentives these days on significant facilities including
large retail stores.  It is like a bidding war among the
various states and even local taxing authorities including
those in every part of the USA.  It is just like a sales
incentive used by anyone in business to bring in new
business.  I would assume that even countries are in on the
game to try to entice job providors into their
jurisdictions.   For the information of those who can't see
beyond their own back yards tax incentives have been
provided by many states both north of the Mason-Dixon and
west of the Mississippi.  I won't judge the longterm
viability of the tax incentives but, it is my gut feeling
that they are a mistake since I have seen too many cases
where the manufacturer blackmailed them for extensions when
the original agreements ran out in order to remain in the
facilities.  They almost always get their way or many people
will lose their jobs.  This is a fact of life all over the
country.

Lugnut
petebert - 08 Nov 2006 23:12 GMT
the auto plants here in ohio pay pretty damn good for low educated entry
level jobs, dont quote me but from what I hear, entry level out of high
school your starting at around $17/hr. If thats the case with these Kia
plants I dont think anyone needs to lobby for higher wages. I was talking
with a guy at work about it before I knew how well auto plants paid. Well we
looked up the avg. income for Dayton, it was around $27k a year, pretty much
what I expected. Then he put in some little towns around Ohio that I had
never heard of and they where showing a $50k avg income. I was thinking ok,
how the hell do these little farm towns have such a high avg, well they all
had different Honda plants. This guys dad happens to work for Ford and gets
paid quite well to do almost nothing because of the unions.

>>> Note that they picked Georgia, as do all the invaders, because of
>>> traditionally lax labor laws in southern states, as well as a cowed
[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
>
> Lugnut
lugnut - 09 Nov 2006 12:20 GMT
>the auto plants here in ohio pay pretty damn good for low educated entry
>level jobs, dont quote me but from what I hear, entry level out of high
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>had different Honda plants. This guys dad happens to work for Ford and gets
>paid quite well to do almost nothing because of the unions.

Above average wages in the auto related plants here in GA
has been pretty much the rule.  By the time you add in the
benefits package, it looks pretty damn good - maybe even
better than a goo governmant job.  Ford and GM are both
closing their plants here because of their own economic
problems from failure to keep tabs on what the customers
wanted.  The separation packages for the employees make me
wish I was being terminated by one of them.  That way, I
could go back to school full time without worrying about
missing the pay check.  I'm 59 but, always wanted a
different degree and a new career just to keep life
interesting.

Lugnut

>>>> Note that they picked Georgia, as do all the invaders, because of
>>>> traditionally lax labor laws in southern states, as well as a cowed
[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
>>
>> Lugnut
Bill Putney - 08 Nov 2006 11:39 GMT
>>>Interestingly this is crossposted into 3 groups where it isn't on
>>>topic but not posted into alt.autos.kia where it would be on topic.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> workforce and the lowest wages in the country.  Environmental and
> safety standards are also ignored in most southern states.

Yes let's legislate better working conditions and higher pay to drive
the jobs overseas so you can blame the same people for that too.  We
know the liberal tactics - complain and blame no matter what is or is
not done.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')
DeserTBoB - 09 Nov 2006 06:19 GMT
>Yes let's legislate better working conditions and higher pay to drive
>the jobs overseas so you can blame the same people for that too.  We
>know the liberal tactics - complain and blame no matter what is or is
>not done. <snip>

Hey, Putz-ney!  I took you off kill file (along with Nudo) just to
watch both of your fizz and fume and fart after losing Congress.  I
know, in your deluded world, you'd pay no overtime, no pensions, no
benefits, and everything would be for the bosses, right?

Ain't gonna happen.

Your buddy Nudo is in the middle of a psychotic meltdown over the
election.  Glad to see you're doing much better.

Now, back in you go!  *PLONK*
Bill Putney - 09 Nov 2006 11:15 GMT
>>Yes let's legislate better working conditions and higher pay to drive
>>the jobs overseas so you can blame the same people for that too.  We
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> know, in your deluded world, you'd pay no overtime, no pensions, no
> benefits, and everything would be for the bosses, right?

Wrong.  But you're still going to complain no matter what anybody does.
 - you failed to address the issue of driving corporations off-shore by
your politics and then blaming someone else for your unintended but
obvious (to sane people) consequences.

> Ain't gonna happen.
>
> Your buddy Nudo is in the middle of a psychotic meltdown over the
> election.  Glad to see you're doing much better.
>
> Now, back in you go!  *PLONK*

Hah!  What a gracious winner, and a coward.  Hit and run.

No - life goes on with the party of Aunt Jemima caricatures of
Condoleeza Rice in charge to some extent.

I'm smiling, man - don't know about you.  Your source of self-worth,
sufficency, and joy is obviously different than mine.

And yeah - I know you are reading this anyway.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')
Mike Marlow - 09 Nov 2006 12:36 GMT
> > Hey, Putz-ney!  I took you off kill file (along with Nudo) just to
> > watch both of your fizz and fume and fart after losing Congress.  I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> your politics and then blaming someone else for your unintended but
> obvious (to sane people) consequences.

And this stuff has exactly what(?) to do with the automotive newsgroups that
it's cross posted to?  You two guys need to get a room.

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Bill Putney - 11 Nov 2006 16:37 GMT
> You two guys need to get a room.

Homie don't play dat.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')
CMM - 08 Nov 2006 16:46 GMT
>> Interestingly this is crossposted into 3 groups where it isn't on
>> topic but not posted into alt.autos.kia where it would be on topic.
>
>Does anyone look there?

On some days it seems.

>It does indicate who's growing and manufacturing locally.

Good point.

-- Christian
 
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