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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Cars / November 2006

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Power steering fluid leak

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sonali - 14 Nov 2006 19:06 GMT
I have 95 Toyota camrey.I have to refill the power steering fluid frequently.
I got it examined from a auto-repair shop.There is a leak in rack and pinion
and return hose and both needs a replacement.The work is around $600.Is there
any method by which I can trace the leak myself just to confirm ?
sleepdog@optonline.net - 14 Nov 2006 20:22 GMT
> I have 95 Toyota camrey.I have to refill the power steering fluid frequently.
> I got it examined from a auto-repair shop.There is a leak in rack and pinion
> and return hose and both needs a replacement.The work is around $600.Is there
> any method by which I can trace the leak myself just to confirm ?

If you are replacing fluid frequently I think you have your
confirmation.  But, if seeing is believing, when you park your car for
the night put some largish pieces of cardboard underneath the rack and
lines.  Pizza boxes work nice.  Look for fluid stains the next morning.
Also get underneath it you'll probably see a lot of "wet" in and
around the rack and lines.  Rack leaks are bad, probably need a new one
unless the mechanic can replace the seals.
sleepdog@optonline.net - 14 Nov 2006 20:23 GMT
> I have 95 Toyota camrey.I have to refill the power steering fluid frequently.
> I got it examined from a auto-repair shop.There is a leak in rack and pinion
> and return hose and both needs a replacement.The work is around $600.Is there
> any method by which I can trace the leak myself just to confirm ?

Whoops!  Hey, that's not a Ford! <g>  No matter, my advice is the same.
Try posting to a Toyota newsgroup as folks there would have more
specific info for your make/model, could be a known/common issue or
somesuch thing.
sonali - 15 Nov 2006 00:46 GMT
>> I have 95 Toyota camrey.I have to refill the power steering fluid frequently.
>> I got it examined from a auto-repair shop.There is a leak in rack and pinion
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>specific info for your make/model, could be a known/common issue or
>somesuch thing.

Hi,
Thanks a lot for your reply.But please let me know if I can use jacks to get
under the car.If not what do I need to do?  I am totally new to auto repair.I
hope you will help me..Thanks in advance.
Tom Adkins - 15 Nov 2006 02:29 GMT
> Hi,
> Thanks a lot for your reply.But please let me know if I can use jacks to get
> under the car.If not what do I need to do?  I am totally new to auto repair.I
> hope you will help me..Thanks in advance.

 Yes, you need a good floor jack and 2 quality jack stands, don't cut corners, your
life depends on them. Jack the vehicle up at the jack points shown in the owners
manual and place the stands under the lower control arms close to the wheels. NEVER
get under a car supported only by a jack.
 You can also use drive on ramps, but make sure they are quality ones. Be sure to set
the parking brake and chock the rear wheels either way. Above all, be careful. If it
looks like it could maybe fall or roll, it probably can.

 If you doubt the diagnosis and know nothing about cars, then maybe take it somewhere
else for a second opinion. It usually takes a slightly trained eye to pinpoint the
source of fluid leaks. Fluids like to travel to the lowest point and blow around under
the car making it look like it's leaking all over. If you have the jack and stands
available, find a friend or neighbor who is familiar with cars to help you find the
leak and explain what you are looking at.
 Good luck and be safe.
sonali - 15 Nov 2006 03:57 GMT
Hi Tom,
Thank you very much for your concern about safety.I do have a jack but I need
to purchase the jack stands.I will buy them now.This is definitely going to
be costly affair.You have any idea why do leaks happen in rack and pinion
assembly and the hoses of power steering assembly?

>> Hi,
>> Thanks a lot for your reply.But please let me know if I can use jacks to get
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>leak and explain what you are looking at.
>  Good luck and be safe.
Tom Adkins - 15 Nov 2006 06:16 GMT
> Hi Tom,
> Thank you very much for your concern about safety.I do have a jack but I need
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>> leak and explain what you are looking at.
>>  Good luck and be safe.

 Hoses can develop leaks at the crimped connections or anywhere there is rubber. The
rack and pinion can leak just about anywhere there is fluid pressure sealed from the
outside, usually at the end seals (inside the inner tie rod boots or bellows) or the
input seal where the shaft from the steering wheel comes down. Trace the hoses back to
the pump on the motor. the leak could be there also. That covers the basic rack and
pinion steering system for most cars. My Lincoln has Hydro-Boost that provides power
assist to the brakes from the power steering system . Your car probably doesn't have
it, but I wanted to mention it just in case.
Fordfan - 15 Nov 2006 07:52 GMT
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> My Lincoln has Hydro-Boost that provides power assist to the brakes from
> the power steering system.

When did they come out with that feature? Is it supposed to be better
than a vacuum booster for the brakes?
Tom Adkins - 15 Nov 2006 15:23 GMT
> (snipped)
>
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> When did they come out with that feature? Is it supposed to be better
> than a vacuum booster for the brakes?

 I'm not sure when it was first used by Lincoln, but my car is a 1984 Mark VII. The
83, 84 and maybe 85 Conti and Mark VII had Hydroboost and I've seen reference to 70s
cars with it. It went away on the Mark series when they got ABS around 1986. Some
newer F-series trucks have it too, maybe just the Diesels.  I've also seen it on big
early 80s Oldsmobiles with the 5.7L diesel.
 I don't know if it is supposed to be better than a vacuum booster. The Mark has some
pretty serious binders, but i don't know if that's due to the Hydro-boost or the 4
wheel disc setup.
 Here's a link to an article on installing HB in a hot rod. That looks like the same
unit as on the Lincolns: http://www.automedia.com/Brake/Boost/ccr20060901bb/1
Jeff - 16 Nov 2006 01:24 GMT
> Hi Tom,
> Thank you very much for your concern about safety.I do have a jack but I
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> be costly affair.You have any idea why do leaks happen in rack and pinion
> assembly and the hoses of power steering assembly?

Because the rubber wears out over time.

Jeff
sonali - 17 Nov 2006 16:01 GMT
Hi Tom,
I searched for a floor jack in autocentres.I Saw a floor jack having maximum
lifting capacity of 13" and another of 14".Will 13" give sufficient space to
get under the car?There is considerable difference in the prices of both,
hence I wanted to have your opinion before buying anything.(I have 95 toyoya
Camry).CAn you give me the specifications(weight / height lifting capacity )?
Thanks in advance.

>> Hi,
>> Thanks a lot for your reply.But please let me know if I can use jacks to get
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>leak and explain what you are looking at.
>  Good luck and be safe.
Bob Urz - 15 Nov 2006 00:47 GMT
> I have 95 Toyota camrey.I have to refill the power steering fluid frequently.
> I got it examined from a auto-repair shop.There is a leak in rack and pinion
> and return hose and both needs a replacement.The work is around $600.Is there
> any method by which I can trace the leak myself just to confirm ?

Get some degreaser and spray down the rack and the hose area  and wash
off until clean. Drive for a day and recheck what's now damp.
Or when clean and dry, have someone rock the steering wheel left and
right and look closely at the hoses for fluid weeping out (car running
in park).

My taurus had the HP hose that would weep only under load. If you can
change the hoses yourself, change it and see what happens.

Bob
sonali - 15 Nov 2006 01:43 GMT
Hi Bob,Thanks a lot for giving me some guideline.I see two hoses attached to
power steering fluid reservoir.How can I find which one is the "return hose".?
I may need to replace that.

Thanks in advance.

>> I have 95 Toyota camrey.I have to refill the power steering fluid frequently.
>> I got it examined from a auto-repair shop.There is a leak in rack and pinion
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>
>Bob
sleepdog@optonline.net - 15 Nov 2006 03:08 GMT
> Hi Bob,Thanks a lot for giving me some guideline.I see two hoses attached to
> power steering fluid reservoir.How can I find which one is the "return hose".?
> I may need to replace that.

Don't know how Toyota designs their ps lines but on Fords the high
pressure line has crimped metal ends on both sides and the hose is much
thicker.  The return line is simply a rubber hose that meets certain
ambient heat criteria, SA-J129 or something like that, so not just any
old rubber hose, but thinner than the pressure line.  Also, the return
line terminates at the ps fluid resevior.  The pressure line originates
at the ps pump.
sonali - 15 Nov 2006 03:58 GMT
Hi sleepdog,
I hope its the same with Camry.I will gather some more info on the guidelines
which you gave.It was really helpful.Thanks a bunch.

>> Hi Bob,Thanks a lot for giving me some guideline.I see two hoses attached to
>> power steering fluid reservoir.How can I find which one is the "return hose".?
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>line terminates at the ps fluid resevior.  The pressure line originates
>at the ps pump.
ShoeSalesman - 15 Nov 2006 16:52 GMT
> I have 95 Toyota camrey.I have to refill the power steering fluid frequently.
> I got it examined from a auto-repair shop.There is a leak in rack and pinion
> and return hose and both needs a replacement.The work is around $600.Is there
> any method by which I can trace the leak myself just to confirm ?

I would fix the return hose first, then see how it goes....It could be
that the rack is just wet from the hose leaking on it.
sonali - 15 Nov 2006 18:21 GMT
I agree with you.Is is easy to replace the return hose?Do I need to remove
both the front tyres and get under the car?Thanks in advance.

>> I have 95 Toyota camrey.I have to refill the power steering fluid frequently.
>> I got it examined from a auto-repair shop.There is a leak in rack and pinion
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>I would fix the return hose first, then see how it goes....It could be
>that the rack is just wet from the hose leaking on it.
sonali - 16 Nov 2006 04:36 GMT
Do I have to get under the car to replace the return hose?Can anyone give me
some steps to be followed to relace the rerurn hose?Thanks in advance.

>> I have 95 Toyota camrey.I have to refill the power steering fluid frequently.
>> I got it examined from a auto-repair shop.There is a leak in rack and pinion
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>I would fix the return hose first, then see how it goes....It could be
>that the rack is just wet from the hose leaking on it.
ShoeSalesman - 17 Nov 2006 01:29 GMT
> Do I have to get under the car to replace the return hose?Can anyone give me
> some steps to be followed to relace the rerurn hose?Thanks in advance.
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>> I would fix the return hose first, then see how it goes....It could be
>> that the rack is just wet from the hose leaking on it.

don't know off hand exactly how to replace the hose.just follow it down
from the pump. Yes you most likely will have to get underthe car.
 
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