The check engine light came on in my 96 Lincoln Town car. I've done a
little research, and realize it could be a loose gas cap, sensor or
carbon buildup.
Could it have anything to do with the transmission?
If I disconnect the battery, and then reconnect, thus killing the
light, will it immediately come back on if there is a problem, or will
it stay off. Should I try that?
Any info on this is appreciated.
I'm in the Albuquerque area if you have a suggestion on where to take
it other than Lincoln Mercury. They want $115 just to diagnose it. I
guess I'll just have to fork it over if I can't come up with a better
solution.
If it's nothing, I'd like to know that too.
Thanks,
Tom
Jim Warman - 16 Nov 2006 02:57 GMT
A little more research would show that there are many, many things that can
turn on the CEL.... Some are minor, some can spell an early death for
expensive pieces.... All of them indicate that the car is exceeding
emissions for that model year car....
Disconnecting the battery may make it more difficult for the shop to
diagnose the concern(s) causing the light to come on. The light may or may
not return immediately... some concerns must happen more than once and some
must happen on consecutive drive cycles....
What do you suggest is a fair price to pay for emission systems diagnosis...
Tom G - 16 Nov 2006 06:00 GMT
>What do you suggest is a fair price to pay for emission systems diagnosis...
I'll pay what I have to pay. I haven't had the car long, and didn't
really know what the light meant or what to expect.
I appreciate the responses.
Sharon Cooke - 16 Nov 2006 03:23 GMT
> The check engine light came on in my 96 Lincoln Town car. I've done a
> little research, and realize it could be a loose gas cap, sensor or
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> Any info on this is appreciated.
> I'm in the Albuquerque area if you have a suggestion on where to take
> it other than Lincoln Mercury. They want $115 just to diagnose it. I
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> Tom
Take the car to an AutoZone or some other "chain" auto parts store and
they'll read the engine codes for free, giving indications of the
problem(s) much better than guessing, opinions or remote diagnoses (more
guessing) as to the cause of the light coming on.
Doug Kneupper - 16 Nov 2006 15:33 GMT
>Take the car to an AutoZone or some other "chain" auto parts store and
>they'll read the engine codes for free, giving indications of the
>problem(s) much better than guessing, opinions or remote diagnoses (more
>guessing) as to the cause of the light coming on.
Unless you have a lot of miles on the 96 Lincoln, some of the parts may still
be under waranty. I got a new OBDII computer becouse my 97 T-Bird had less
than
the required warenty miles on it. I sure othere people in this group can
tell
you what the EPA requires on some of the parts in a car befoure it is no
longer
covered under the manuafactures waranty.
Paul of Dayton - 16 Nov 2006 08:35 GMT
Tom - Many auto parts places will read the codes for free - AutoZone does
here in Ohio. Just be sure to come back here with the codes, don't buy
parts on their suggestion before asking here.
PoD
> The check engine light came on in my 96 Lincoln Town car. I've done a
> little research, and realize it could be a loose gas cap, sensor or
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> Tom
Tom G - 16 Nov 2006 16:07 GMT
Unless you have a lot of miles on the 96 Lincoln, some of the parts
may still
be under waranty. I got a new OBDII computer becouse my 97 T-Bird had
less
than
the required warenty miles on it. I sure othere people in this group
can
tell
you what the EPA requires on some of the parts in a car befoure it is
no
longer
covered under the manuafactures waranty.
The car runs great, but has 178,000 miles on it
>Tom - Many auto parts places will read the codes for free - AutoZone does
>here in Ohio. Just be sure to come back here with the codes, don't buy
>parts on their suggestion before asking here.
>
>PoD
Thanks for that. I found an Autozone 3 miles from where I'm staying
and I'll check them out today. I'll let you know what codes they come
up with.
Tom
Tom G - 16 Nov 2006 17:05 GMT
>Unless you have a lot of miles on the 96 Lincoln, some of the parts
>may still
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>Tom
Here is the code and error message I got from Autozone:
Trouble code OBDII (Alpha) P Code
P0430
"The PCM has determined that the catalyst system efficiency for bank 2
is below threshold for the current engine operating conditions.
(Bank1 identifies the location of cylinder #1, while bank 2 identifies
the cylinders on the opposite bank.)"
They said a sensor was needed. The OE part is $63.99 and the
universal is $54.99. (I have no idea what the difference is.)
I asked him if he knew a good mechanic, and he pointed to a guy across
the street. He said to speak kind of slowly, because his English
isn't very good, but that he's never had any complaints.
I talked to the guy, and after some looking he said that I should get
the universal part and that he would charge me $30 to install it.
That's what I found out. I'll wait to hear what you guys have to say
about it.
Thanks again,
Tom
Tom Adkins - 16 Nov 2006 22:51 GMT
>> Unless you have a lot of miles on the 96 Lincoln, some of the parts
>> may still
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> Tom
The parts store was talking about the catalyst monitor O2 sensor. It compares the
reading of the O2 sensor ahead of the converter to what it sees coming out, If it
doesn't see enough difference it causes a Catalyst Efficiency code to set. The sensors
themselves rarely fail. (There are 2 Catalyst monitor sensors and 2 O2 sensors on your
car).
The code could be a sign that the catalyst is failing, but maybe not. There was a
Recall?, TSB? dealing with this concern on many late 90s GM\CV\TC vehicles. It
involved reflashing the PCM to loosen up the parameters a bit.
Contact a Ford dealer and have then see if the car falls into that particular group.
I believe that being emissions related, it was a Recall.
Tom G - 17 Nov 2006 02:05 GMT
>>> Unless you have a lot of miles on the 96 Lincoln, some of the parts
>>> may still
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> Contact a Ford dealer and have then see if the car falls into that particular group.
>I believe that being emissions related, it was a Recall.
Thanks for the time you took to help me with this problem. I'll look
into your suggestions.
I talked to the previous owner and he recalled the light coming on at
one time with a similar solution, that is, he replaced a sensor.
But get this. I was almost out of gas today, and after I filled it up
and started driving I noticed the light was no longer on!
Now I'm totally confused.
Thanks again,
Tom
Tom Adkins - 17 Nov 2006 02:18 GMT
>>>> Unless you have a lot of miles on the 96 Lincoln, some of the parts
>>>> may still
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> Tom
The conditions that set the code will tend to come and go depending on what is
happening with the air\fuel mixture and the conditions in the converter. The reflash
changes the detection strategy for the catalyst monitor to help prevent the code
setting too easily. It "could" be a sign of a failing catalyst, but it likely just
needs the new PCM calibration. There are a couple of Ford Techs here that would know
the details better than I do.