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96 1.0L Heater not working

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thedonzo@charter.net - 20 Nov 2006 13:58 GMT
Suggestions welcome....

2 weeks ago my timing belt broke.
My mechanic suggested that I have the water pump replaced since they
would be in that area.
I agreed and when I got the car back the heat was not getting as hot.
I noticed that there was coolant leaking and took it back in.  My
mechanic told me that there was a small leak in the radiator where
plastic met metal and it could not be fix...it needed to be replaced.
I knew about this and asked why it started leaking more after the new
water pump was installed.  He said the new pump probably produced more
pressure and that caused the leak to leak more.
Ok, I agree to this and tell them to replace the thermostat as well.
I get the car back and still poor heat.
The poor heat was a problem after the water pump was replaced and
continued to be after the radiator and thermostat were replaced.

What could have changed after only replacing the water pump that would
have caused the heat to be poor...it worked fine before getting a new
ater pump?

Note:  The heater core was replace in this vehicle a little over a year
ago.

I don;t necessarily want to take it back to this guy again because this
thing just seems to be cascading.  What I'm trying to understand is why
the heat went bad after the water pump was replaced.
thedonzo@charter.net - 20 Nov 2006 14:01 GMT
EDIT:  Title should read 1.9L, not 1.0L

thedo...@charter.net wrote:
> Suggestions welcome....
>
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> thing just seems to be cascading.  What I'm trying to understand is why
> the heat went bad after the water pump was replaced.
BOB URZ - 20 Nov 2006 18:14 GMT
> Suggestions welcome....
>
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> thing just seems to be cascading.  What I'm trying to understand is why
> the heat went bad after the water pump was replaced.

Many things could have caused the radiator to leak. I assume new
anti freeze coolant was put in and maybe flushed. This might have
caused a marginal spot to start leaking. And if the hoses were
flexed on the radiator when the pump was changed, this might
have been enough to cause  a leak. If its only a tank leak, the
radiator can be re gasketed and recrimped possibly. But with
100K + miles i might be looking at new radiator rather than throwing
some money at it only to replace it latter. Check with some local
radiator shops for quotes. Ask them about your heater problems too.
Find a few shops in your area and take your car by and ask for an
estimate and there opinion.

Are either of your heater hoses under the hood hot when the car is
warm and the heater is on? Could be something plugged up the
core. Or it could be an internal under  dash problem unrelated like
a stuck blend door or such. Does the temp gauge of the car showing
its getting warm?

Bob
thedonzo@charter.net - 20 Nov 2006 18:50 GMT
Both of the hoses leading to the heater core are hot.

The temp gauge shows that the engine is getting warm but the needle
never gets any higher that just above the lower limit.

I checked the blend door and it is opening/closing as it should be.

> > Suggestions welcome....
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BOB URZ - 20 Nov 2006 20:23 GMT
> Both of the hoses leading to the heater core are hot.
>
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> > Bob

How hot did the car run on the temp gauge before all this happened?
Is the radiator fan running?

Perhaps the new thermostat is stuck open, in backward somehow or
the wrong temp value. Or the cooling fan is stuck on.

If your in cooler weather, you might block off some of the radiator areas with cardboard
or such and see if it runs any hotter for
a short test.

I used to have a old 65 fairlane that i FROZE in when it was cold out.

Bob
David R - 20 Nov 2006 23:44 GMT
> Both of the hoses leading to the heater core are hot.
>
> The temp gauge shows that the engine is getting warm but the needle
> never gets any higher that just above the lower limit.
>
> I checked the blend door and it is opening/closing as it should be.

We don't even know what car you're driving. Not psychic!
petebert - 21 Nov 2006 00:14 GMT
magic 8 ball says escort

>> Both of the hoses leading to the heater core are hot.
>>
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>
> We don't even know what car you're driving. Not psychic!
thedonzo@charter.net - 21 Nov 2006 18:38 GMT
Sorry about omitting the vehicle type....
It's a 96 Escort Wagon with a 1.9L engine.

I know for a fact that the temp gauge registered higher before the
water pump was replaced and the heat was considerable warmer than it is
now.

What confuses me the most is why this would happen after ONLY the water
pump was replaced.  The radiator and thermostat were replaced a couple
of days later when the radiator starting leaking.  I would understand
the thermostat being stuck open or something had they initially
replaced it.  This make me paranoid about the guy I'm bringing it to.
I'm afraid if I bring it bacdk again he'll tell me I need a new heater
core.

Replacing the water pump was his suggestion due to the fact that he's
be in the area of the water pump when replacing the timing belt.  If it
went out in a month he'd have to charge me the same labor as he would
now by replacing both the pump and the timing belt (there was close to
100K on the old water pump).  This made sense to me but I never
expected the heat to be affected by replacing the water pump....unless
it's not working correctly (which I doubt).

> magic 8 ball says escort
>
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> >
> > We don't even know what car you're driving. Not psychic!
Kevin Bottorff - 22 Nov 2006 15:11 GMT
thedonzo@charter.net wrote in news:1164134328.840132.33760
@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

> Sorry about omitting the vehicle type....
> It's a 96 Escort Wagon with a 1.9L engine.
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>> >
>> > We don't even know what car you're driving. Not psychic!

I am guessing that you have a air bubble in your heater core caused when
the water pump was replaced. bleed the core and see if your heat comes
back. don`t worry about the gauge reading as your probley got plenty of
heat it just isn`t in the core. both hoses can be hot even if there is a
air lock in the core.  KB

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